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Some players of that team may have went to the Free Agent Market, altough with the increased needed salary to go the FA market and the fact that a D5 team, few or none players may have left to it. New players will be created only and if that team is replaced by a new human manager.

I can confirm that no players left the team in the last few weeks. The roster stayed exactly the same, it's just the lineup that changed.

The team is: NY KNICKS NY (55442)

Starters before the team turned into a BOT:
PG - Acero (nominal PG, USD 7,709)
SG - Virgil (nominal SF, USD 10,444)
SF - Niemczuk (nominal SF, USD 5132)
PF - Macijevskis (nominal PF, USD 10,785)
C - Priolo (nominal C, USD 22,522)

Starters after the team turned into a BOT:
PG - Niemczuk (nominal SF, USD 5,132)
SG - Murdza (nominal C, USD 4,263)
SF - Virgil (nominal SF, USD 10,444)
PF - Priolo (nominal C, USD 22,522)
C - Macijevskis (nominal PF, USD 10,785)

I can't find an easy explanation for the way the lineup was reset. Perhaps it's just random at this point... And I guess it's not a big deal, it's just that darn curiosity that's difficult to handle sometimes ;)

Last edited by Yossarian at 2/26/2014 8:57:19 AM

OK, so here's a follow-up question regarding the BOT cleanup. Do you know which criteria and in what order decide which teams promote as part of the cleanup? (Let's forget about the teams which advance as playoff winners)

I would assume that the first thing would be the overall win-lose record, so teams with 22-0 final record would be considered first, ahead of teams with a 21-1 record, etc.

So assuming we're only looking at teams with a perfect 22-0 record... What comes next? The point differential? The country rank?

Last edited by Yossarian at 3/1/2014 5:03:47 PM

I was hoping that the country rank would be considered at some point as well. I did some snooping around in the other fifth leagues in Poland and found that for example in league V.60 there are only two live players, all the other teams are BOT's. One of the live players is undefeated but has a country rank of 1802 (my rank is 916). When it comes to point differential he's far ahead of me which is understandable looking at his oppenents and mine. Why should he get promoted over me? I think the country rank should be one of the deciding factors if not THE deciding factor in this case. It's not perfect but it's definitely more objective than the current logic.

This brings me to another matter... Was it ever considered to have a horizontal shuffle of teams between same-level leagues after the playoffs to make their level more even? Surely, it would make the game more fair for everyone and would assure that the better managers advance instead of the luckier ones...

I've seen my share of new managers who join my league and only log in once, then disappear. Looks to me like they just take a quick look at the league, see that it's quite strong and just try again with a different login or IP address. And they keep doing that until they land in some league like V.60 where they only have BOT's to play against, can invest all their money in staff, arena, etc. and don't need to worry about buying good players at all.

Not that I'm complaining because I love the game and will stick to my team no matter what but I think it's more fun to know that scouting, planning, making good decisions, etc. play a more important role than pure luck.

If you play your cards properly, you should be able to promote. If you cant right now, then you dont deserve it. I have been there myself. There is always going to be easier and more difficult leagues, so try to focus in improving your team.
Doing the right things in V div. is really important to have a good fundation. I wish I could go back in time...

I know where you're coming from but I can't agree with the statement that if I can't win right now then I don't deserve it. I've been playing my cards since the beginning and I believe I've been playing them right. I definitely have a strong enough team to play in the fourth league, I know how to manage my enthusiasm and game attitude, I have the largest arena in my division, good staff and young prospects who I'm training, I'm making a weekly profit of 30k, have a long-term plan. Looking at all teams playing in fifth leagues in Poland I'm quite sure I have the highest country rank. This came from a lot of careful planning so in that sense I believe I do 'deserve' to advance.

It's obvious that there will always be stronger and weaker leagues, of course, but why not try to make the gaps smaller and diminish the luck factor?

Two ideas which I already mentioned:

1. The country rank should be one of the factors determining which teams promote as part of the BOT cleanup if not THE single most important factor. Just talking about advancing through BOT cleanup, playoff winners should advance as they do now obviously. I believe this is a much more objective factor than the others, because it takes effort to advance in the ranking whereas it takes only luck to be allocated to a given league, conference, etc.

2. Introduce a horizontal shuffle between same-level divisions before a new season. It could only be applicable to lower level leagues and only one or two teams could be moved at a time - it would allow the divisions to have a similar level of strength. Advantages: you don't have irritated managers in strong divisions; you don't have bored managers in weak divisions; moving teams across means additional analysis of oponents is needed = more fun; this would even have a good influence on higher leagues as there would be a smaller chance of scrubs advancing.

I'm not saying I'm disappointed that I wasn't assigned a team in an easy division. I'm thinking about ways to even the level out and make it more fun for everyone.

Last edited by Yossarian at 3/5/2014 4:20:04 AM

I didnt want to be offensive in any way with the statement "you dont deserve it". And I think your ideas are good.
But I still remember the total wage of my players the first time I promoted from div. V: it was 126K. And I only got the fourth win/lose record to finish third in my conference.
On the other hand, I wouldnt want to promote if I dont win my league, because you wont get the attendance bonus next season.
This is my advice. I think you can still do much better. You have only 2 trainable players, one of them not very good. None of them is from your draft. Time in the lower leagues is really important and what better base than training your drafted players in secundary skills which could cost you games in higher leagues.
You can still promote this season, but if you dont, take it as an opportunity instead of feeling disappointed.
I wish you the best.

Oh no, no offense taken, sorry if my reply sounded that way. I appreciate your advice and of course I try to consider all the factors you described when planning ahead (but e.g. in the drafts so far I only received really really poor players and for now I would rather spend any extra cash on expanding the arena rather than on draft).

It is all complicated but that's what makes the game fun.

I'll hang on to my ideas and maybe bring them up later when there is a general discussion aiming to improve the game experience.

Perpete, Manon, hrudey (aka 'doggie') - really looking forward to any comments you may have to my ideas... Do you think they make sense? Have they been raised before? What would be the best forum to bring them up?

Last edited by Yossarian at 3/5/2014 5:19:28 AM