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Reading what people are saying i think there are not many knowlege about economy...
Second team will be bad to get new users, a new user will see how compete against good and experience managers, and leave the game... The income in a net game are supporter but also banners... the banners pay about traffic... less users, more teams and more supporters... Just get a closed game, just for a few long time managers... is really this the game we want??? Or we are just thinking in the pros for ourselves??

Also, this second team, open the door against fair play... many posibilitis to scammers.

When you need to make a lot of loyal rules, it means that something is wrong about it.

First of all, i would like to highlight the fact that BBs are here, communicating their thoughts, putting things on the table, discussing ideas with the community.
The EGM system works well in that direction and it was obvious well before it was announced. Great move and excellent choice of individuals.

As for the topic of discussion, for the time being, im against it, for reasons that don't even reach the matter of specific pros and cons, should such an idea be implemented.

We're talking about a drastic, not turning back move here. Once it's started you can't say after two seasons, it doesn't work, we dish it.
A move that admittedly is connected directly with the financial aspect of BB survival and growth too.

Trying to examine it from a BBs' point of view, one thought comes straight to mind.

We're trying to squeeze out more supporter subsciptions from a declining userbase, instead of primarily trying to get the user numbers back up and statistically and smoothly absorb subscriptions from the additional users, with the encouragement of supporter goodies.

There wouldn't be a problem, trying to achieve both goals, as long as decisions on one front are compatible with the other.

In my opinion, such an implementation would harm the goal of new user subscriptions.
This is a not a "new-user friendly" thing.
New users, already have a lot in their hands, when joining the game. Certain aspects that differ from real basketball teams management and ultimately a game where costly mistakes are inevitable at first and lots of reading is required.
Altough, personally speaking, this is part of the game's beauty, it still remains a fact.
A fact that is sompensated though, by the leagues' structure and their progressing difficulty, starting at a level that allows for mistakes and "rewards" you with easy promotion from the lowest country division.

If we flood the lower country divisions with experienced managers and make it even disappointing for new managers, im afraid it will cost dearly.
People join in, test the waters and see whether they like the game and its structure, in order to decide whether, finances aside, they will decide to become supporters.
I have no doubt in my mind that in case we get(somehow) a significant amount of new users joining, they will be buying, percentage wise, way fewer supporter packages, that what is considered normal so far.


In all,

-personally i would love such an implementation
-as a member of the community, i would have strong objections, unless at least "fair play" issues are addressed with more conviction
-as a "guest" in a BB's board of directors meeting, discussing the proposal, i would be voting firmly against the motion.



Last edited by maddoghellas at 1/13/2014 7:26:57 AM

Here are some of the mentioned issues (that mostly deal with cheating) and possible solutions. This is not a complete list, just a list of possible solutions to issues that seem to bother most managers at this moment. There can be some better new ones added in the future.

Issues and possible solutions:
1. draft pick ordering enables second teams to tank and hog all the best trainees
- give draft priority to local teams
2. secondary team used to overbid primary teams leaguemates (and the other way around) in the transfer market
- make that illegal and impossible to do
3. secondary team used to overbid primary teams bad bids (and the other way around)
- make that illegal and impossible to do
4. secondary team used to buy and retire possible NT players
- manually transfer list the intentionally fired players which weren't free transfered automatically, just like we do now

Possible new rules:
12. New Manager Bonus rule. Secondary teams do not get the 4 initial weekly $50 000 bonuses. The experience acquired by the managers in their primary teams should compensate for that.

As a supporter, I say a big NO to this idea.

Thanks alot for your post Marin. All your points seem reasonable to me!

Just imagine this situation. Manager with a lot of experience in the game go to some small country that have 20-30 users. They have then 40-60 users. We play 2-3 seasons there, BB get some money, we get more new people on BB, 20 new managers join the game in that country we play with our 20-30 2nd clubs.
Do you really think those 20 new managers will ever reach us, do you think they will ever play in the first division of their country?
It will be disappointing for a user if he can't play in his country 1st division and he say that some guys from Bosnia, Mexico, USA, China and etc play there. On that way, people will not be interested to play the game.

Would some of you like to be in that situation? You play in II or III league and watch people from other countries play in your 1st league?

4. secondary team used to buy and retire possible NT players
- manually transfer list the intentionally fired players which weren't free transfered automatically, just like we do now

I could be wrong, but don't the current rules only apply to players actually on the NT/u21 teams? I think the concern here is not about those 18 players, but about the ~50-60 players most countries have as their NT player pool, i.e., guys that are good enough, or nearly good enough, to be considered, that might get there soon, that could be used for specific tactics, or would be called up as injury replacements.

I do not like the rule that the second team can not play in BBB . Why not - only ONE team can participate in BBB - and it is up to the manager to decide ?

I do not like the rule that the second team can not play in BBB . Why not - only ONE team can participate in BBB - and it is up to the manager to decide ?

We are aware that the local team managers might feel threatened by the new teams. Giving the secondary teams the ability to compete in B3 would annoy local managers even more. This way they keep their representatives in the B3 as their own.

As a supporter, I say a big NO to this idea.

Could you explain why?