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I guess there would be ways to do it while preserving the country set up. Like LA-Emilio proposed above (129389.63), there could be an attendance-deflator based on team salary. for example for a league 1 team it could look something like this:
team salary 500k+ -> max achievable arena income c. 650k (unchanged; attendance using the current formulas)
team salary 400k -> max arena income c. 580k
team salary 300k -> max arena income c. 510k
team salary 200k -> max arena income c. 440k
team salary 100k -> max arena income c. 370k
..so that being salary efficient would still pay off, as would owning an efficient arena, but if you want to convince the local crowd that your are a big-time franchise in our global league system you have to spend a bit on star power every week (and our crowds care about sensational paychecks, not a player's performance), no matter whether you are in Tuvalu or Los Angeles. for lower leagues all the max achievable incomes would be lower, in line with the current proportions between league levels.

sorry for missing this post..
i liked your idea very much but i think it should be modified in a better way..
the deciding factor should be league's average salary, not the team salary..
a low-salary team who can be successful in a strong division should be awarded..
if we think about "small countries", for example Japan, league's average salary would help weaker teams in the division as Sharman's high salary will increase their weekly income so they can reach him faster (isn't that what everybody wants?)..
can you think of any downsides..?

This is the best posible solution I have read.

I also agree, these two ideas combined seem like the most elegant solution posted so far. It makes some sense too, from a real life perspective: You can have a bunch of different divisions in your country but if they all have crappy players, people aren't going to pay way more just because you decide to call one of them 'Division I'. Example= American Soccer.

That's life -- the game is created so that the weaker teams are able to catch up, not so that the strong teams become stronger all the time.

the game is created so that the weaker teams IN SOME COUNTRiES are able to catch up, not so that the strong teams become stronger all the time.

This is the truth ....

I don't recall Italians ever posting in the forums much anyhow. And in any case, this game is designed for the enjoyment al 50,000l users, not only for the Italians.

Italian and spanish comunity -for example- are an important part of BB, respect them.. please

Which particular part of the problem do you expect to get fixed?

Teams with high income and crappy players will always be in better position to spend on the transfer market -- that's not anything that's going to change, so don't hold your breath.

really? didn't you write this about... 2 posts before?

Yes, I did, but you apparently missed the point.

Weak teams will get better players, and become better teams. However, there will always be weaker teams that run on profits, and those will always be able to bid more.

That's life -- the game is created so that the weaker teams are able to catch up, not so that the strong teams become stronger all the time.

Rinse, repeat. Problem solved.

i never held my breath, of course
there's a reason italians don't write in global as much as before, and it's answers like yours

I don't recall Italians ever posting in the forums much anyhow. And in any case, this game is designed for the enjoyment al 50,000l users, not only for the Italians.

italians : BB = 1 : 10

italians+spanish = 1/5 BB

Not Italian + not Spanish = 4/5 BB. This also deserves respect.

I don't have anything against any particular nation in BB. However, no nation is bigger than the BB community.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 1/29/2010 9:46:03 PM

Not Italian + not Spanish = 4/5 BB.

Please respect that. Thanks.

It's not an intelligent answer when a problem exists for a large part of the community (not only for italian&spanish people)

Not Italian + not Spanish = 4/5 BB.

Please respect that. Thanks.

I don't have anything against any particular nation in BB. However, no nation is bigger than the BB community.

wow, you're strong in maths.

i respect u.

now, if u want also comment this post (129389.184) (or some other post like this, where we try to explain the problem) i'll hear u

;)

Last edited by ÐΞﮎ@þiﮎA at 1/29/2010 9:46:43 PM

What about it? Equal division levels are calibrated to be able to pay comparable amount of salary. So "beating all the world" with comparable players will be kind of hard.

Not to mentions those teams have the extra income because they have poor players.

maybe we explained very bad the situation.

i play in a nation with 3 to 100 (or something like that) users, i need less money/good player to win every competion comparison to italy, spain or other nations with 2000 or more users. isn't it a truth?

if i have the same or a bit less income from merchandasing and the same flow to the palace comparison to big nations, but i can win EVERY game in my nation (hence a sold out palace with maximum prices) with lower salaried players comparison to big nations, where they must choise at least one game to lose because of the game shape (and the result is a lower, very lower palace income), do u think i'll have the same economy power, lower or higher?

Last edited by ÐΞﮎ@þiﮎA at 1/29/2010 10:22:42 PM

In this situation for the larger community, where there is competition, there is no hope of being able to compete in the B3 or in the market.
If I'm born in Ghana I would have some hope. Now I wonder if the principle of realism, that the game is pursuing, is observed.

first of all you have chanches, they are some big country teams with good runs in the BBB and very few small country teams.

Small country teams have disandvantage in the BB because the cup is over pretty early, which robs then a n extra tie and they had lower income through merchandise and tv - overall i think the chanches are pretty equal because a BBB team don't make more money then another(or at least those who are competing for a good result there)

Weak teams will get better players, and become better teams. However, there will always be weaker teams that run on profits, and those will always be able to bid more.

That's life -- the game is created so that the weaker teams are able to catch up, not so that the strong teams become stronger all the time.

Now that's a very good joke: are you a natural or did you think it over for a few hours? :-D

Really, I simply believe we play two totally different games.

Let me ask you a question. Do you think I'm a weaker team? Well, surprise-surprise, in the typical situation of a IV division in Italy, Spain or Germany teams don't really have the economical conditions to improve unless they make a long term (3-4 seasons) extremely careful plan (e.g. don't try to achieve a promotion unless you are absolutely sure that you will not demote the following year)... and they also need some serious luck.

If instead you think I'm a strong team, so that I must have a hard time improving... well, I simply believe that for a newcomer in Italy, Spain, or any other medium-large BB-nation there is simply no chance to make it to the top 2 divisions, and sooner or later this will reflect in the dynamics of the number of BB users.

Is there any economic changes in country if that country is wining national team games? if no it should be, and this would solve problem discussed here. your country is wining - you have more fans, more income. your country is losing, income drops. look at how it is in real world. look at Lithuania, it is a small country, but national team is sixth on fiba rankings in world. now think... Lithuania is just 3mil people country, how can this be? because we are wining, each one lithuanian is a basketball fan. you wont find a lithuanian who doesnt know Sabonis or Jasikevicius or Siskauskas or Ilgauskas. Back in bb world, wont this solve everything? train players for your country and you will have more income if your country win something. what do you need for this? 10-12 players each one training a players at positions needed. and if you cant do that, then its not BB's fault, its communitys fault.
Theres many countrys in BB. managers in one country are competing against each other. this way they would have to work toghether too. it would add something to the game, dont you think? with so many countries, the game would have more fun if competition between countries would be more important than your league or domestic cup. would it not be?