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Just throwing something out here, but maybe ID is to prevent the opponent from shooting, and SB is to stop him once he gets his shot. Most LI guards have very high DR, and a little less IS; maybe it's more effective to stop them once they shoot (SB of C vs IS of guard) then trying to prevent the shots (ID of guard vs DR of guard).
Even when playing M2M defense, bigs will rotate over to block/alter shots. I think with high SB this happens more often, and even if they don't actually block the shot, they can alter it so they miss. You won't see that in the boxscore though.

Maybe it's worthwhile to have 1 purely defensive C, like you usually have in the NBA, that only scorse from putbacks/tips. You can have high ID/RB/SB on him with some passing, while your PF does have high IS. That way you'll have a big that can defend the paint against everyone, and also have a big you can run your offense through in your PF.

BB-Patrick
Thanks for coming in this thread with all this new info. Having regular users speculate on the changes is one thing...Having a BB explain new stuff is priceless. Thanks a lot

Let's just say that for assisted shots, they added a change that said "Defender X attempted to rotate over but was too late" or something to indicate that a shotblocking opportunity had been missed, maybe one that he would have been able to stop with a few more levels of SB skill.

The way it was announced didn't come across as a play-by-play improvement. That's a good point though. People have been asking for additional stats or proof that SB is effective for many seasons cause its hard to see its value from the play-by-play and box score.

I'd be thrilled to see any improvement in play-by-play or box scores that give a better picture to the value of all skills. Updating the GE when it seems unclear if a change has been fully vetted is cause for concern.

Last edited by brian at 2/28/2013 9:09:03 PM

I had a guy in a scrimmage last night with deplorable stats get like 9 blocks....
these things happen, but maybe they started testing already?
If no testing has commenced, no so odd. I often saw my low SB players get a bunch of blocks suddenly in some games...the way sometimes for no reason no JR players will hit some 3s....when guys have SB/JR and can't be effective, then suddenly a player with very low scores gets a bunch of 3s or blocks....it only makes mattesr worse in terms of thinking the stats have no meaning.

He was in the middle of a 1-3-1, so anything that came close to the basket he'd attempt to stop. The guys who were having their shots blocked were also all ridiculously untalented. It could be similar to the effect of bad outside shooters going against worse outside defenders, where the opponent is so bad that you somehow fumble your way into success.

The problem with having a PF with more scoring type skills and C with more defending type skills is the way we are forced to train players, sadly we can't train IS with 1 and ID with the other in the same week.
Thus if you are training players for the future at the 2 positions they will inevitably look the same.
The only difference will be that difference in skills they started with.
Different training methods would help a lot, 48 minutes at C x3 would be much more helpful if we were able to choose the specific training of the individual, as in: ID for one, IS for another and SB for the 3rd based on their needs

Last edited by Headless T Gunner at 2/28/2013 11:10:34 PM

I wholeheartedly appreciate this idea. I'm in a hole too: two of my trainees need 1 on 1 for forwards, while the third needs JS for forwards. Same for IS. I can't start training IS until I finish Navršnik's training, for example, but Anžic and Doga need it.

While I agree on your suggestion for training methods, I think you can easily obtain a defensive C and offensive PF by training the C (who differs from what we mostly see on the TL) and buy the PF, as it's a fairly standard one.