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Don't give up though. HCA is a powerful weapon.

There is no such thing as HCA in B3 PO ;)

Even bigger return is in lower divisions.

Your best manager should win the competition argument is quite flawed. The older teams also have massive advantage over new teams. Give the two of us the same starting resources, I'll most likely beat you, although I have one season of experience, and don't have supporter to analyze games in play by play. There are probably hundreds of managers around the BB, who are smarter than any of the B3 participants.

What about people just starting in the largest nations low divisions? How many seasons do they need to reach the top, assuming they have wits and dedication?

If you wanted to put skill/knowledge first, you would have to reset the teams every season to give everyone equal chances. And I think most of the people are playing this game because they like having a long-term project, and less because they want to compete with other people.

So I look at tanking like this: Dedication and hard work can beat talent, as in many other areas of life. Having patience to tank money for seasons also isn't an easy task. Could be dismissed as an uderhanded tactic, but it's still legit. Let's say someone is not smart enough(less skilled as you say). He can never win against smarter(better managers) people, but why wouldn't he use patience and hard work to collect more money, and beat the smarter people that way? That's like a smart girl saying: this is awful, boys just look at them pretty girls, not fair, hate you life. Well, pretty girl can also say: this is awful, them smart girls finish college and become independent women, and I have to sleep with these a-holes to save my job, hate you stupid maths and chemistry.

Also, money tankers can still make better financially sustainable teams. Venomous scorpions could've used his money to buy monster skilled salary efficient players, instead of this ridiculous roster who gets him a million per week deficit. I don't know if salary cap would do any good.

Also, money tankers can still make better financially sustainable teams. Venomous scorpions could've used his money to buy monster skilled salary efficient players, instead of this ridiculous roster who gets him a million per week deficit. I don't know if salary cap would do any good.

If you put a $1.0 to $1.2 million salary cap in the BB tournament then the 2 teams that are currently on a collision course for the finals would have their rosters (and strategies) severly crippled so I'm not sure how anyone could argue that a salary cap wouldn't do any good.

Your other argument is severly flawed as well. The reason the VS may not have been able to use his money to buy 'monster skilled salary efficient players' is because those players are much harder to find on the transfer wire as the owners of thsoe players don't want to give them up (they're also much more expensive to purchase too but that's a different argument). Plus if you gave everyone the same salary cap, at least you'd still get different rosters, team dynamics (and possibly strategies) and it would truly be 'may the best manager win' on an even playing field.

I'm confused on how anyone could come to a different conclusion on this because right now it's clearly just a spending contest.

The older teams also have massive advantage over new teams. Give the two of us the same starting resources, I'll most likely beat you, although I have one season of experience, and don't have supporter to analyze games in play by play.

Sorry, but I was a bit lost after this and probably read the rest in light of this, hmm...curious statement, to put it mildly.

Yes, there are some older teams that ammassed tons of money and are now living off of it. However, with each season there are more of those teams that can't compete with younger up and coming ones, because they didn't learn the game as good as those young teams. They didn't have to since they had enough money.

But to say that you know the game better than a d.I leaguerin his 12th season and u21 coach after only one season of playing? Please...

If there was the cap, Venoumous Scorpions would still be able to make the best team. Instead of having 14 mil deficit for one season, he could've bought the best players from the TL for those 14 million and don't have deficit at all. I don't know why didn't he do it anyway, cap or no cap.

It would be even harder for new teams to catch up the old ones. This way, while someone spends the ridiculous amounts on one season only, some new teams are building up their arenas, and preparing to challenge those over-spenders in the future.

If there was the cap, Venoumous Scorpions would still be able to make the best team. Instead of having 14 mil deficit for one season, he could've bought the best players from the TL for those 14 million and don't have deficit at all. I don't know why didn't he do it anyway, cap or no cap.

It would be even harder for new teams to catch up the old ones. This way, while someone spends the ridiculous amounts on one season only, some new teams are building up their arenas, and preparing to challenge those over-spenders in the future.

Sorry but VS wouldn't have anything close to the best team with a cap. You're dead wrong on this. He won BB a few seasons ago by saving a ton of $$ and then outspending everyone else over a short time frame and he's done the exact same thing preparing for this season.

That makes him a very smart strategist and there's no doubt that he's built an awesome team using the rules that are currently in place but don't confuse that with being the best manager and being able to build the best team. Also, as I mentioned before (and this is the most important flaw in your reasoning) the players that provide the best bang for the buck salary wise making them the best players to own in a salary cap environment rarely hit the trade wire so he wouldn't be able to just go out and buy a bunch of those types players over a 4-6 week span like he did. Nobody could. This isn't because he doesn't have the $$$ to buy a bunch of these players, they're just not available to buy. Big difference.

The best team in the world, dollar for dollar is probably Dionyrus. His players all have awesome all-around builds and he's collected them over a long period of time.

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 8/22/2013 2:02:12 PM

I can't argue that, I've seen some pretty skilled players on the transfer list, but you're probably right, and it would take more than plain money power.

But there is an other side of your argument. You said he got those players over a long period of time. That adds to new teams vs old teams inequality. How long does it take to get to the top league in large nations, and then establish continuity there?

[Sorry, but I was a bit lost after this and probably read the rest in light of this, hmm...curious statement, to put it mildly.

Yes, there are some older teams that ammassed tons of money and are now living off of it. However, with each season there are more of those teams that can't compete with younger up and coming ones, because they didn't learn the game as good as those young teams. They didn't have to since they had enough money.

But to say that you know the game better than a d.I leaguerin his 12th season and u21 coach after only one season of playing? Please...

I don't mean to insult the veteran players around, but the game isn't that complicated. Most importantly, the subtleties of financial management have been figured out already. You can basically predict everything, and find the fast path for your team to improve.