BuzzerBeater Forums

One might be able to guess the supporter income. I know roughly how many are Supporters in here and how many active managers there are. We could assign that % of supporter to total managers in he world and get a figure and then work out the supporter income. If one was interested and could be bothered doing the maths. But then their is advertising and costs would be unknown.

well if there are 40k users, if 25% had supporter (which is generous) that would mean 10k*40 dollars. Which means 400k per year. To be honest that's not so much. Of course advertising is some kind of income, but you still have to pay the developers, and administering the servers takes it's toll. I think it's safe to say the game isn't making that much money. But still, if they could do some minor changes(which ones, that's the mystery) they could vastly improve financial aspects.

yea, i know, i was very generous with the numbers. Odds are that this is probably half. I was having loads of trouble getting Supporter with those other options, and I eventually quit doing them. I don't think there's a lot of ppl doing that.

But just any other two cents, here are my two cents:

Game doesn't really need major changing, most of the people on this forum love it and want to see it go further and develop. I mean, LI is too good and sometimes bench players shoot free throws but these are just small tweaks. However, I do think that at some point new users just stopped coming to the game, and also first league users got bored and just quit. This should be priority for developers and managers. Get new people on board and help them learn easier. BB-Mail is crappy(sorry but it's true), forums are hard to reach somehow and don't present much interest to new guys. Training is kind of weird, and it's not really straightforward, i mean, the basic concept of how players get training is clear to me and I agree with it, but to newcomers it takes a while and this maybe disarming for them. This is the moment where BB really needs a great idea in order not to fall apart.

Knecht owned the game, but he got bored and sold the game to a bunch of Bostonians who now owns 99% of it. One percent is owned by the NRA, no idea why.

Im not going to buy into that, prefer to own a share of the game myself

Well just because we pay "x" amount for supporter doesnt mean that individuals from other countries pay the equivalent.

I remember reading somewhere that Australians pay more for Microsoft products than what Americans do, because we are perceived to be able to afford to pay more

Last edited by Sid Vicious at 12/15/2013 6:33:04 PM

Being Supporter doesn't help to win.

Good points and Im glad that spending money in this game doesnt give you an edge.

I promoted to Div 1 in Australia twice before I brought supporter

I'd many times thought about what the financial statements of BB looked like, but then again I'm a finance dork, so I thought I was the only one... but my thoughts:

Supporter Revenue: 39.99 x 31,000 users x an estimate that 10% of them are supporters = $124,000 per year.

Advertising Revenue: Facebook's annual advertising revenue per monthly user is estimated at $5.70 in 2013. In 2008 it was $2.68. While I know BB isn't Facebook, it has some similarities of users logging on frequently and spending time on multiple pages with each login. FB bombards users with ads though, and advertisers on FB know they're getting much more exposure than 31,000 users. So, let's estimate that BB's ad revenue is less than FB, but we'll give BB an optimistic guess of $2.00 per year per user. 31,000 users x $2.00 = $62,000 per year.

That's quite a difference. $39.99 of revenue for Supporters. Maybe only $2.00 of revenue for non-supporters.

Ad revenue reference:
(http://www.trefis.com/stock/fb/articles/216618/maryhow-fa...)

$186k of revenue per year is not much to run a business with. I don't think it's polite to speculate what Marin makes, and I have no idea the cost of servers in an inexpensive market, nor do I know any of the other misc operating expenses. But to me it's been clear that at 31,000 users, it's a business model that might be self-sufficient, but is hardly making anyone rich.

Now, increase users, and increase the % of supporters, and the business could start making some more money, and be a nice supplemental income for the owners. Which is why I think it's the BEST BUSINESS IDEA AROUND for the BBs to allow Supporters to have a 2nd team. Others have already addressed how to design it to prevent cheating. I think you easily double or triple the amount of users purchasing Supporter if you can start a 2nd team.

$186k of revenue per year is not much to run a business with. I don't think it's polite to speculate what Marin makes, and I have no idea the cost of servers in an inexpensive market, nor do I know any of the other misc operating expenses. But to me it's been clear that at 31,000 users, it's a business model that might be self-sufficient, but is hardly making anyone rich

Top write up

I believe with an app, a couple of minor tweaks to the game and a couple of clever promotional or publicity activities, that the number of active members could easily and quickly go past 100K

186k is more than sufficient for a one man business, at least here in Austria. Plus you were calculating with 31k users. There were 20k more of us, not that long ago, so if the income is good enough to keep the game alive, this site must have been a goldmine in the past.