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248324.219 in reply to 248324.170
Date: 9/28/2013 7:27:13 AM
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I don't understand the comparison between the predictions of the tactics and rock/paper/scissors, simply because you will now just play rock if you are very sure your opponent plays scissors (and in some desperate cover your head and brace the impact situations). I wonder if people missed the announcement that you don't HAVE to make predictions, you have the option to do so.

Because gussing tactics is exactly that? You are free to not make predictions,that's for sure, but still this prediction system is playing rock/paper/scissors on what the adversary team would do on offense.
Prediction system isn't bad for itself, it's bad because this has been a solution chosen as patch since many tactics does not work on the actual GE(or does not work as they should, as 3-2 being more efficient against LI than 2-3)

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 9/28/2013 7:30:08 AM

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248324.220 in reply to 248324.219
Date: 9/28/2013 10:38:26 AM
Cruesli
DBA Pro A
Overall Posts Rated:
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Second Team:
The Milk
That 3-2 is more efficient against LI than 2-3 is not a fact but an opinion.

I personally find it can work alright against LI if you've got solid bigs with a bit of SB en an SF that can defend inside as well. Besides that it depends on the outside shooting skills of your opponent. And it probably helps that I have a great defensive PG.

But it gives me some flexibility and extra possibilities to defeat inside offenses. And personally I believe that it was the reason I won last tuesday against a strong rival, who has more salary and while playing on the road. In the ratings my win looks weird but if you see how my 2-3 zone shut down his big men (low total shots and/or bad FG%) it makes a bit more sense.


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248324.221 in reply to 248324.219
Date: 9/28/2013 12:20:47 PM
Infested Warriors
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I strongly believe that 3-2 could stop LI only if Perimeter Defense it's way over the opponent's Offensive Flow.

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248324.222 in reply to 248324.220
Date: 9/28/2013 1:20:17 PM
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True, if oponent flow is good there is no way you can stop it with
3-2 zone. But since league 1 teams use to have like 10 passing on their sg/sf and like 13 on pgs thats the reason 3-2 zone works. but if the flow is good only chance is 2-3 zone... I used to have beast offensive flow few seasons ago runing LI like 85 percent of shots were assited ones. and when i was facing 2-3 zone shot percentages were down and asists rate was down to like the half its agains mtm.

Last edited by Gajus Julijus Cezaris at 9/28/2013 1:22:02 PM

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248324.223 in reply to 248324.222
Date: 9/28/2013 2:13:38 PM
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True, if oponent flow is good there is no way you can stop it with
3-2 zone. But since league 1 teams use to have like 10 passing on their sg/sf and like 13 on pgs thats the reason 3-2 zone works. but if the flow is good only chance is 2-3 zone...

the only problem is that 2-3 does not work :D


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248324.224 in reply to 248324.223
Date: 9/28/2013 6:53:39 PM
Cruesli
DBA Pro A
Overall Posts Rated:
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Second Team:
The Milk
See my post a few posts back which was meant to adress exactly these kind of statements ("3-2 is better than 2-3 against LI", "2-3 doensn't work").

Summary: It depends on your players and the opponents players.


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248324.225 in reply to 248324.224
Date: 9/28/2013 6:57:57 PM
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And still you cant answer the question what players are needed for 2-3. You just got a different opinion with no facts to back it.

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248324.226 in reply to 248324.225
Date: 9/28/2013 9:54:54 PM
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Here is what I think. All 10 players (assuming one plays 5 starters and 5 backups) need suffocating or at least high OD. Along with that, forwards and centers need above-average ID and high SB to defend drives and inside shots.

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248324.228 in reply to 248324.225
Date: 9/29/2013 5:11:38 AM
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A lot of guys in this thread seem to ignore the facts presented by Nachtmahr. Just go find them, read them and think about them. I'm sure you'll be able to draw the right conclusions then.

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248324.229 in reply to 248324.225
Date: 9/29/2013 6:59:07 AM
Cruesli
DBA Pro A
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Second Team:
The Milk
I'm not making idiot statements like the ones I just mentioned though. And some of the things I mention are facts, namely "how well a line-up works depends on your players and your opponents player". Or are you doubting that? Do you think a good LI or Run and Gun require exactly the same players?

And you never asked me what players were needed for 2-3 so why do you assume I can't answer? I've played 2-3 zones pretty effectively in the past. They are not a clearcut defense that you just always use when someone wants to attack inside. You need opponents with bad outside shooting and you yourself need to have an SF that can really defend down low there as well (high ID, maybe SB as well but mine is average there) and bigs that have high SB.

But I wrote exactly this in post #220.....so this mostly shows that you don't even bother to read the posts you bitch about.

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