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So it must be a fair solution, and this is at least 100% money back for a real fair game better don't change it, or wait 8-9 seaons do give people with a solid strategy time to get their succes out of it ;)

You've been playing for seven seasons. You've had plenty of time to earn money from most of the seats in your arena. You still haven't addressed the point I made directly, even after all this discussion. In effect, you just want a no-interest loan.

please look how many seats i ahve in the past ;) And repeat it, if i know this change too season, ago, wi wouldn't have invest that much money in the arena ;)

But it seem to be necessary with the actual system, and now i got punish for doing things right? i got less succes, and get a weaker position then team who are going for short term?

You didn't esxplain that for me.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 6/18/2009 8:15:48 AM

Some people made a decision to supersize their arenas, paying lots and getting lots in return. Now they want 100% return on seats they used because it is supposedly going to be harder to fill their arenas.

Just before they introduced the potential change in the game, I invested several million dollars in decent players, then watched their value plummet because their potential was only all-star. Why do I not receive a full reimbursement for them? Had I known that change was coming I never would have spent money on them. This seems to be a fairly parallel argument, and it is ridiculous.

Some people made a decision to supersize their arenas, paying lots and getting lots in return. Now they want 100% return on seats they used because it is supposedly going to be harder to fill their arenas.

Just before they introduced the potential change in the game, I invested several million dollars in decent players, then watched their value plummet because their potential was only all-star. Why do I not receive a full reimbursement for them? Had I known that change was coming I never would have spent money on them. This seems to be a fairly parallel argument, and it is ridiculous.

i don't like this change too, but did you want to make all changes punishing lots of players?

Dpon't you think you scare people, playing buzzerbeater any longer if you make every two seson major change in strategy, and making it unpredictable what is good in future?


Last edited by CrazyEye at 6/18/2009 11:26:44 AM

none of your posts explains why, having already earned money from the seats you built, you should get a full return of their value regardless of how much you earned.

Man just a very simply answer.


When you plan to increase your arena seats you also consider that it will be generate benefeits after 2 o 3 seasons... and noone expect to receive this benefeits the first season the build them.

so the BB's considered "Fair" to give some chances to get some of your money back. I see it as simple as it is.

They should get money back but not all of it. They already made there money the last few years when other could not afford to build or did not do so. They should not be able to cash out a few thousand seats because they cant fill them in anymore. Give 65% of their money is fair giving 100% is unfair to other users who were not in the position to build at that time.

Plus all of a sudden they sell 500 seats and have money to but the player your bidding on. Why because they had a bigger arena then you did.

If i knew about these changes i would have bought a player or 2 less and built my arena instead and i would be in better shape today.

i'm pretty sure you're kidding me.

so 2 years ago (seasons i think you would say) yo think 100 000 coins are equal to 100 000 coins today?

yeah ... i will not say anything else... if you didn't invest isn't other faults

I really don't agree. I am not scared by these changes. I welcome them. I know that this is still the infancy or toddler stage of this game so I expect changes to come and ( like I have said before ) am not making any long-term moves until I see a sort of equilibrium reached. If I lose some dough because potentials change or have to downgrade my arena, so what? It is part of the game and, in fact, simulates the unexpected bumps in the road that any GM faces in owning and managing a sports franchise.

I really don't agree. I am not scared by these changes. I welcome them. I know that this is still the infancy or toddler stage of this game so I expect changes to come and ( like I have said before ) am not making any long-term moves until I see a sort of equilibrium reached. If I lose some dough because potentials change or have to downgrade my arena, so what? It is part of the game and, in fact, simulates the unexpected bumps in the road that any GM faces in owning and managing a sports franchise.

Come on mate.. you arent making long term moves yet you and I have been playing this game since late 2007..... thats over 18months and you arent prepared to stick your neck out and make decisions thru fear of them being incorrect????

i cant imagine playing this for the rest of my life!! Are you going to just 'outlast' the whole of the competition or wait for the game to be so harmonious with your ideals before you commit to making decisions...

its like the stockmarket... you lose more money from not being in than being in......
I cant see which decisions you are holding back from making anyway....what are you waiting to decide on doing and based on what are you not willing to commit?

Well, in truth, the reason I am not making any long-term plans is that I just don't think about it very much. I just sort of bounce along. I'm not scared of being incorrect. I have no burning desire to daytrade my way to the top or argue for construction cost restitution or single position train 18 year old hall of famers or whatnot, so I am obviously making incorrect decisions all the time. I'm just arguing this point because it seems crazy for people to be getting so bent out of shape about changes to a game that's still so young, and I think giving back 100% of the money is wrong.

And you are absolutely right about not seeing which decisions I'm holding back from- I don't see any either.

As far as the stock market goes I've never bought or sold a single share of stock in my life. I have no interest in it at all.

Despite our different approaches, I am with you in nearly all that you write, you know as well as I do that your decisions to date have not been incorrect and although I also agree that the game is in its infancy (least we hope it all is!) that does not give reasoning in my opinion from abstaining from long term strategies.

The change in potentials was an overnight killer...... what my team would look like now I hate to imagine if there was no cap on allstar potentials. I certainly would have $10mil + in the bank and the majority of my old guys... but we had to move on and slowly i've rotated out a few that don't or I can't prioritise training more in favour of those that can and that I will do.

I've taken a very aggressive approach this past few weeks by acquiring players that I hope will bring in the big TV money and I am speculating (whilst prepared to act and downsize if totally wrong) that the income that L.1 teams gets will be higher on average than that we receive today. There are many reasons I believe this will happen and if they dont i forsee training profits dwindle even more / newer teams losing interest because its too difficult to make money and in turn stagnation on the transfer market in general.

I guess my decision is if I'm right I'll continue to enjoy the game and building my team - if I'm wrong, chances are i will lose interest in the game anyway becuase the transfer market and training (which are the 2 elements I enjoy - i watch the matches but these are all pre-determined so what can you do other than watch?) will go further downhill.

I hope for player values to widen from $1k-$5mil where they are at the moment to $1k - $10mil. If the ranges narrow down further to $1k-4mil or even lower, I don't see how teams can actively improve fast enough and the enjoyment factor will dwain.

Of course if i'm wrong I will lobby to have my recent transfers and wages re-imbursed as i couldve used that money on scouting or an arena upgrade :D

I can see how your enthusiasm for the game could dwindle if things begin to stagnate. I also like training plus I like arena management, the forums, and flag chasing. My biggest enjoyment of the game is a bit more esoteric. I LOVE basketball, have been around it all my life, and a lot of my enjoyment comes from the make-believe aspect- I have a little hoop team I run which is located in a tiny village in rural Thaialnd. I try to do well but I don't really get too upset if I lose and I try to take the changes that come along with a sense of "Okay let's turn this way now." Much like you do, only less aggressively. I just signed an NT player with hopes of more merch revenue next season and have been looking for some decent Thai players on the TL. Out of the 7 available only one has a salary of over $5k.

For me the improvements to the game should be made in the possibility that a worse team can beat a better team. This just doesn't happen very often and it should happen sometimes. Maybe the penalty for TIE should be increased and/or the bonus for CT increased. I know it is difficult to simulate off-nights, hot streaks, and lucky breaks, but they happen enough in real basketball that I wish it happened here more often. I took my wife to a Kings game when we were in Sacramento earlier this year and they trounced the Suns. The Kings were the worst team in the division and the Suns were battling for the final playoff spot.

I admire Mr. Burns, who is beginning again in the lowest Italian division. That's a good solution to the stagnation problem only that in Nippon or Thailand you have to go aaaaaall the way down to the second division!

Anyway, I hope you stick around. I think your ideas and attitude are good for the community. Plus I've always been a big fan of Dizzy Dean.