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. You need the best players as fast as possible

I disagree with you, for the under-21 can be as you say, but already the question changes to the NT. You can not take a player and coach at random only in the primaries, partly because this work do know all the managers.
Also as I said before I think the differences of values are different between proficient and prominent is not as wondrous and marvelous between the incidence is totally different.

In the US we have our two coaches but we have a contingent of 5-10 people who seriously contribute into the strategy of both the games and the development of the prospects.

Even in Italy there are many people who work for national and even if I was elected I intend to surround employees, who will serve as many as in U.S. or in Italy but I will make a discreet staff.

Anyone can tell more about it? I knew about HK, but not how.

BB News post:

Growth in Hong Kong

Over the last week and a half we have seen a dramatic increase in the number of Buzzerbeater in Hong Kong. In the first two weeks of April, Hong Kong has grown from around 400 managers to nearly 1400, enough that it needs a new division. For countries with more than 200 managers, this is the largest growth we have seen in BuzzerBeater in the last two years!

From what we understand, we owe this growth to the hard work of the Hong Kong community, who took the time and effort to write personalized endorsements and to maintain active discussions about the game on several prominent Hong Kong forums dedicated to discussions of sports and online gaming. As a measure of our appreciation for this unprecedented effort and success, we are going to extend a period of free Supporter to all of our managers in Hong Kong for the next three months. While we normally keep extra teams available to add new managers during the season, in this case their hard work forced us to make a special effort to expand the size of Hong Kong in the middle of the season. Our system is not designed to accommodate midseason expansion, but this is the sort of hard work we are happy to have!

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I read this post already. This is the what. The problem is the how.

Coaching the two teams is no different. You need the best players as fast as possible.

Let me disagree with that.

Although this is a general good statement (mr. Lapalisse), the result is definitely different. Potential has minimal impact on U21, but is critical on NT. So you can have a generation of potential 4-5 (brrr) in U21, if well developed, as they could start from higher skills, but they will never ever be in NT, even in such a small country.

In U21 you must be laser focused on quick development on primaries. In NT you have to look at secondaries. For instance, Juggie Wagana is our dominant PF in U21, but he cannot be anything else a C in NT.

That means that training programs are different. They could even be not compatible, in the sense that for U21 I could decide to focus attention to a couple of potential 4, paying less (no infinite resource, unfortunately!) to longer term players. This is extreme, as so far there was no impact on both teams because of such decisions, but is part of the discussions that I had with Jordan, my staff and some managers.

At the end, a good cooperation between the two coaches is needed to well perform. I did it, I will do it (and I expect all candidates, no doubt about it!), but my and Jordan's jobs were definitely different.

Last edited by GM-BlackMouse at 6/30/2010 6:44:06 AM

How did you read the post(s) and not get the how?

From what we understand, we owe this growth to the hard work of the Hong Kong community, who took the time and effort to write personalized endorsements and to maintain active discussions about the game on several prominent Hong Kong forums dedicated to discussions of sports and online gaming.

We/They coordinated a unified blitz of messages on various forums and other forms of social networking explaining what the game was, why people should play, where they sign up, how to play, and who to talk to about it.

Ultimately a lot of people are going to try it and drop off. There is nothing you can do to maintain their interest as they are mostly unresponsive. However, the people who's interest it does pique you need to create blatant channels of communication to A) create the feeling that they are part of the group and learn enough early enough to stay competitive and interested.

You quoted my statement then disagreed then recited the rest of my statement that you didn't quote:

Coaching the two teams is no different. You need the best players as fast as possible. The only difference is that U21 can employ players with lower potential because they are unlikely to reach their soft cap.

The ultimate goal is to not train low potential players for either team. Yes you do it in the short term. Yes you have different immediate goals but the goal is to build a sustainable program not plug the holes in any way possible.

Yes your resources are limited, yes you will want different things from your prospects but that is why there are two coaches and you ultimately build a staff for even more support.

The tactics are the same, the training process is the same (even if you may want different results), the communication is the same.

In the USA for example you have a pretty static roster on the NT. It will take a long time for someone to be able to crack a starting lineup of $200k players. Thus you want to get a player to that level as fast as possible so he can at least contribute, then worry about fine tuning. Furthermore, I disagree that the only way to run a U21 is to train primaries as fast as possible. You probably need the primaries for PF and C but the other 3 positions offer a little more creativity. Do you want someone who can score on anyone or someone who can shut down anyone? Maybe someone with a little bit of both. Maybe you want a SF who can rebound better if you plan on shooting a lot. To say there is only one acceptable answer is a bit ludicrous.

the main difference between U21 and senior team is, players in U21 team are mostly work in progress, and in NT it's more about short term strategies. There sure are players in senior team that are being trained and have room for development but overall concepts are different.

the main difference between U21 and senior team is, players in U21 team are mostly work in progress, and in NT it's more about short term strategies.

you got the point. U21 is always WIP, every season you almost restart from scratch (that would mean you have 12 talents out of a generation), or at least 50% (as this season and next one).

@Rambo: That is why in U21 you work on primaries first. Depending on material, you can develop some secondaries (but just in case, and although what is secondary in a PG is quite complex to be defined). If you have a SG with 4-5 in PA, you can just keep it if you don't have very well defined primarie (JS 14+, OD 13+, JR 11+). In NT, you can decide to train Fanesi as PG for one or two seasons and make him a devastating PF. In U21 a PF is typically a C with some secondary "by born"

I don't disagree with you. I think the position has to be taken in context though. Yes you are basically looking at washing the roster each season in the U21 BUT if you grow your user base and prospect base you can afford to look more into secondaries. The bulk of your roster will be focused in the ~3 primary skills per position but I strongly feel that on a roster of 18 or so players you should be able to carry someone with some secondary skills that are unique and can help you run a specific strategy to beat a team who might be stronger on paper.

I'm not ignoring primaries in any sense but to say secondaries are meaningless or that it is useless to develop a strategy around them is short sighted in my opinion.

Do any South Africans have any questions or is this going to result in a 0-0 tie?

I'm not ignoring primaries in any sense but to say secondaries are meaningless or that it is useless to develop a strategy around them is short sighted in my opinion.

Agree. Wherever possible, even at 21yrs, secondaries should be taken in consideration. So far, unfortunately, no SA player was so good to have time on that let's hope better in the future.

This following point does not regard you directly, but I want to share it with all of you candidates. I am quite BB-angry about new draft rules. In general, I repeatedly asked for having the opportunity to manage a draft, not random extract it with scouts just eating money.

However, when bots are "allowed" to have a decent pick, that means the death of countries as SA in terms of U21.

This season we had ONE single tall man 18yrs with potential 5+. And he is definitely not a great player. By two mandates, SA could play just with guards... If you take out of 12 somehow decent draftees some to bots... well, how to set a NT team??? Luckily for you guys, this does not affect NT...at least for a long while.

Just to share my sadness with you guys.

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