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178778.22 in reply to 178778.19
Date: 3/31/2011 11:35:28 AM
BC Hostivař
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I'm worry that this rule can detect me as using tanking strategy if I lower current 1,3M wage bill to some 700-800k for next season :-)
But with combination of series of losts it could work.

Point of whitemaggot is very serious. I agree income difference between Div I and Div II is too big and I can imagine lowering it, but how to do it so that global economy stay healthy without huge turbulences?
But even with current system best managers are still able to find strategy how to avoid relegation after promotion to Div I and finally settle in Div I.

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178778.23 in reply to 178778.20
Date: 3/31/2011 11:58:27 AM
BC Hostivař
II.2
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Jirkov
That's why Good sport's have salary cap's, it's to stop the rich teams buying all the best players. If we had a salary cap income would be less important and training will become more important. witch is what this game need's.

There is already salary cap. Find out how many team all around the world has over 1M wage bill.
Why new Div I should be able to battle for tittle in first season?
In our Div I 9th highest wage bill is $ 556 411, in all Div II there are teams over $ 400 000 (noone over $ 500 000). I guess it's not problem to buy someone and have the wage bill on average of Div I after promotion or at least sometime about half a season in Div I which could be soon enough to avoid relegation.

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178778.24 in reply to 178778.22
Date: 3/31/2011 1:57:50 PM
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I'm worry that this rule can detect me as using tanking strategy if I lower current 1,3M wage bill to some 700-800k for next season :-)

You would definitely be close to it - and the fact that you are already worried about it proves the deterrent works! ;-)

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178778.27 in reply to 178778.25
Date: 3/31/2011 6:14:52 PM
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Though maybe I should ask how likely you think it is that this team will go right back up.


Given the fact that you can have a lot higher wage bill, I'd say very likely. That $5 mill will just fund the promotion via a anti-bankruptcy fund. Genuine D2 teams can't compete on salary wise as they can't afford to make losses every week. Whereas this D1 tanker can afford to make losses week in week out in D2 because of the extra cash he has. That means ,this team can afford to have a salary bill of a lot higher then what a genuine D2 team can have.

Not to mention this team becomes the envy of all. Being able to gain D1 revenue whilst running close to no team at all. Needless to say, the D2 teams get very frustrated because this tanker hogs a spot in the top league while there are D2 teams that can easily roll over this D1 team if they play a match together.

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178778.28 in reply to 178778.25
Date: 3/31/2011 7:19:36 PM
SUMY DEVILS
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You're welcome to argue about whether it's effective or not, but our solution as game designers to this problem is that such teams are very likely to get relegated. One thing we've definitely noticed is that managers as a whole tend to underestimate the downside of being relegated and overestimate their chances of coming straight back up. This came up in the debate about 5th place vs. 6th place as well, remember.

Do you think your position would be improved if we handed you $5M (your estimate for what this team will make over the course of the season) but relegated you? As a long-term strategy, you're going to give up a lot of that in the first season you spend in a lower division, between upset fans and having to play D II instead D I games. Probably if you come right back up, you'll end up turning a profit, but if you stay down for more than 1 season it becomes a major loss. Which then means we should be asking how likely it is that you go right back up, and I think you're overestimating that by a pretty wide margin. Though maybe I should ask how likely you think it is that this team will go right back up.


We want one change. Team that loses the matches should receive much less profit from tickets. It would have been correctly. A lot of teams come in D1 not to fight for trophies, they just poured games and earn tickets. In real life, these teams are not interested in the fans and they do not buy tickets for losing teams.

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178778.29 in reply to 178778.28
Date: 3/31/2011 7:37:10 PM
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We want one change. Team that loses the matches should receive much less profit from tickets. It would have been correctly. A lot of teams come in D1 not to fight for trophies, they just poured games and earn tickets. In real life, these teams are not interested in the fans and they do not buy tickets for losing teams.


So if you have a home game against one of these tanking losing team's the fan's also would not turn up to watch a 1 sided flogging. So should we make it so that the home team takes a big income cut?

What would happen when you get 3 tankers in the same conference, the other 5 team's would suffer and not be able to compete with the other conference.

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178778.30 in reply to 178778.29
Date: 3/31/2011 7:43:35 PM
SUMY DEVILS
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We want one change. Team that loses the matches should receive much less profit from tickets. It would have been correctly. A lot of teams come in D1 not to fight for trophies, they just poured games and earn tickets. In real life, these teams are not interested in the fans and they do not buy tickets for losing teams.


So if you have a home game against one of these tanking losing team's the fan's also would not turn up to watch a 1 sided flogging. So should we make it so that the home team takes a big income cut?

What would happen when you get 3 tankers in the same conference, the other 5 team's would suffer and not be able to compete with the other conference.


It should be related only to the home matches of this team, the rest should receive income in accordance with their position in the league.

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178778.31 in reply to 178778.30
Date: 3/31/2011 7:52:53 PM
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Why would your fan's turn up and pay good money to watch you flog a team by 100 points. It work's both way's.

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178778.32 in reply to 178778.31
Date: 3/31/2011 8:02:36 PM
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Why would your fan's turn up and pay good money to watch you flog a team by 100 point


Because they love watching their favourite team flog other teams!! It does not work both ways. The winning team's fans are always happy to do the flogging!



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