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I've brought information that showed that in France, Spain and Italy (which consists of 11,333 users out of ~50K users) there is not even one team who had join this game later that Season-4!!! [14 seasons ago!!!]
This proof points to the most critical issue that must be handled and fixed in this game. And as you can see, it also "touches" this suggestion.

You forgot to mention that your point was immediatly shot down by an BB with a statistic aswell. Bad loser.

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I've brought information that showed that in France, Spain and Italy (which consists of 11,333 users out of ~50K users) there is not even one team who had join this game later that Season-4!!! [14 seasons ago!!!]
This proof points to the most critical issue that must be handled and fixed in this game. And as you can see, it also "touches" this suggestion.

You forgot to mention that your point was immediatly shot down by an BB with a statistic aswell. Bad loser.

"Amazingly" you did not relate to the statistics that shows that three of the greatest BB-nations had not even one team from 14 out of 18 seasons.

"Amazingly" you forgot to mention that you started this game early enought - season-6, and now that you are finaly at the second league changing the game to be more competative for new users will not suite you.

"Amazingly" you forgot to mention that Germany is a not a big BB-nation with less than 1,000 users, and with only a single team from those 14 out of 18 seasons playing at the first league.

The three nations I've brought are just an extreme example of the phenomenon.
There are much more, and the rare cases brought are just magnifying the general case, and mainly does not go into details - what happened to those other teams.
Like "Coach Regan" wrote, there are (not a few) who do that on purpose, as they CANNOT get to a lower league due to competativeness (on court). This is only one answer for the other counter-examples (which again just prove my saying precise).

Last edited by Pini פיני at 12/7/2011 4:56:50 PM

but you also forgot that the game already changed, as i said earlier to you you earned like crazy at the beginning since the income maximum was close to the one today and there was no player with the necessary salaries to spend it on a weekly basis.

Today we highly skilled players, and dynamic salarys who orientate at the teams income ... Also strong plaers get pretty cheap, so that the promotion bonus give you oppurtunity to get good talents, even when they won't be the youngest dudes. I believe with the todays enviroment, you wouldn't see such phenomens any more.

And even your examples looks just in one direction to proove it, cause there was a lot of other cases where you would come to another conclusion you just ignored.

You like to pick countrys that suit you. What about USA?, Turkey?, Poland? There are more big countrys with teams from older seasons (one of the teams even started in season 10, that's whooping 7 seasons to get to the top, anything is possible, just be great and have some luck). Obviously managers that have played longer, have more experience in running the club. It's hard to get to divI, but that's how it should be. It's as hard to relegate from divI as an old team and get back to divI.

I've brought information that showed that in France, Spain and Italy (which consists of 11,333 users out of ~50K users) there is not even one team who had join this game later that Season-4!!! [14 seasons ago!!!]
This proof points to the most critical issue that must be handled and fixed in this game. And as you can see, it also "touches" this suggestion.

Unfortunately this is not proof at all. There are so many different factors in different leagues. Let me give an example.
Lets say, in season 4, in Italy, there was only 150 users, across two division's. In season 4, in France, similar. Compare that to say, when i started playing this game in season 12. In season 12, Australia had about 500 users, across 4 divissions. Therefore i started in Division 4.
Now, i am top of division 2, I am 10-0 and dominating quite well (if I do say so myself).
All the teams that are below me, started playing the game after me. with the exception of 2 teams. If I had started in season4, guess where I would be? Division I! hoorah!

Now its taken me 6 seasons of hard work to get to where I am. Should I be in division I? Hell no... Should i be in division II? Probably, (very nearly made it last year). Should the guy who has been playing the game for 5 more seasons be in Division I? most certainly, if he is a decent manager! Should the guy who has a bigger arena, simply because he has played the game longer than I, have more income than me? Definately!
My point being is that it is logical for teams who have played the game the longest, to be the best. This will always be the case no matter what measures are put in place.

and yes. I prefer the community aspect to this game. I would rather consistently be a division II team and have the community aspect of this game, as opposed to be winning div I all the time and having no one to talk to. I think its very incorrect of you to state your opinion about what the game is designed to be as fact. It is not fact, this is your opinion. In your opinion the game should be about winning, fairness, eveness and gameplay. In my opinion the game is about fun and community. Your opinion is not fact and using capitals and bold font does not make it so.
I still agree with you that there is a fundamental problem in the game, in that division 1 teams do not train players, i just do not agree with the currently suggested solution.

I have nothing wrong with discussing new ideas, even if they mean a complete new way of looking at things, and even if they originate from this fountain of nonsense that is filling the suggestions forum. But to be honest, I think this model you propose is a very bad solution.

The U21 and pro divisions don't make much sense to me, because nobody would want to play just the U21 part. And yet you want just the supporter paying people to play the pro stuff? Then how many users would you figure would remain to play the U21 leagues? And what's the incentive for them to train anybody? You would just have a bunch of ghost leagues with mediocre 18-21 players that would be useless to any good team. What's the point of improving your trainees if after 3 seasons they're gone and your stuck with new duds...

First I'll admit that Australia isn't the biggest BB nation but does have over 600 players. I am in the ABBL the top league and only joined in season 10 having to work my way up from division IV. I have always trained. I trained my current starting PG and SG and my backup PG, SG and SF all from 19 at the oldest. Sadly none are my own draft pick but that is a different issue.

The last ABBL winner joined in season nine. Most of the teams in the ABBL train.

I think most of the ABBL teams do train and some like the Kynlala Knights, Pancakes, Wombats, Da Fat Boy Slim and I are passionate about training.

As for an U21 game this is both good and bad. I have played Draft Day Sports College Basketball game and it is good but basically you spend three seasons making your players good, then they are great for one season and then gone. It was actually kind of depressing in the end.

I would not want to play Estonian pro league with 10-20 managers. You can't train your whole team, so the U21 would be complete mess. With everyone having very similar guys, that get released every 3 seasons. I'm sure large base of estonian managers would quit after the first 3 season span. Sure it does not have effect on japanese userbase, it's small anyway.
Do you guys really not like the game any more. Where are these crap suggestions coming from. Sometimes people get bored, then it's time to move on to something else, not ruin it for everyone else aswell.