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223332.22 in reply to 223332.21
Date: 8/15/2012 4:11:13 PM
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The assists only dropped because he played with Lebron,Melo,Dwight and Wade.
http://www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.html

Kobe's first thought is scoring not passing.

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Date: 8/15/2012 4:29:05 PM
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The assists only dropped because he played with Lebron,Melo,Dwight and Wade.
http://www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.html
Kobe's first thought is scoring not passing.
Ah???
That is what a SG is supposed to do, and when Kobe actually playes the position and not just upon height, his assist are very low compared to his fellow SG in the NBA

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Date: 8/15/2012 7:41:04 PM
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Well that's because the Laker's PGs are a**. Anyway that's a discussion for a different thread

In the NBA the definition of PG is very lose.
As a fact, Kobe is the one who's in charge on the offensive-flow.
For that, 5.6 AST is not much.


Kobe 23 shot attempts per game, only player in NBA with over 20+
he had 4.6 assists, not 5.6
and players who shoot a lot, such as James, 6.2 assists, Westbrook, 5.5 assists, Durant 3.5 assists, Carmello 3.6 assists

By comparison, I don't see Bryant as being as horrible as you say.
*edit* In fact, Carmello, whom is a notorious ballhog, and not a passer, had more assists than Durant. So I would call Durant into question for this.

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Date: 8/16/2012 1:39:29 AM
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Well that's because the Laker's PGs are a**. Anyway that's a discussion for a different thread

In the NBA the definition of PG is very lose.
As a fact, Kobe is the one who's in charge on the offensive-flow.
For that, 5.6 AST is not much.


Kobe 23 shot attempts per game, only player in NBA with over 20+
he had 4.6 assists, not 5.6
and players who shoot a lot, such as James, 6.2 assists, Westbrook, 5.5 assists, Durant 3.5 assists, Carmello 3.6 assists

By comparison, I don't see Bryant as being as horrible as you say.
*edit* In fact, Carmello, whom is a notorious ballhog, and not a passer, had more assists than Durant. So I would call Durant into question for this.

Kobe is a great player but he is egoistic one.
Durant cannot be compared to Kove, beacause he touches the ball for much less time. Same about Mello.
Westbrook is a player much similar to Kobe in that sense, and he is also one that does not share the ball much.
Hence, it is not surprising that his stats are similar to Kobe's.
Hope that now you will not compare Kobe with Chandler or Howard which are Ceners that not really touch the ball that often, and in general their role is not to make a play for their teamate in comparison to a PG/SG which Kobe is.

Saying that Kobe shots 23 shots per game, and at least 3 shots more than the other players in the league, proves exactly what I am saying.
He touches the ball more than any. And the outcome of it is that he will shoot more than others compared to passing the ball.

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Date: 8/16/2012 3:09:35 AM
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Well that's because the Laker's PGs are a**. Anyway that's a discussion for a different thread

In the NBA the definition of PG is very lose.
As a fact, Kobe is the one who's in charge on the offensive-flow.
For that, 5.6 AST is not much.


Kobe 23 shot attempts per game, only player in NBA with over 20+
he had 4.6 assists, not 5.6
and players who shoot a lot, such as James, 6.2 assists, Westbrook, 5.5 assists, Durant 3.5 assists, Carmello 3.6 assists

By comparison, I don't see Bryant as being as horrible as you say.
*edit* In fact, Carmello, whom is a notorious ballhog, and not a passer, had more assists than Durant. So I would call Durant into question for this.

Kobe is a great player but he is egoistic one.
Durant cannot be compared to Kove, beacause he touches the ball for much less time. Same about Mello.
Westbrook is a player much similar to Kobe in that sense, and he is also one that does not share the ball much.
Hence, it is not surprising that his stats are similar to Kobe's.
Hope that now you will not compare Kobe with Chandler or Howard which are Ceners that not really touch the ball that often, and in general their role is not to make a play for their teamate in comparison to a PG/SG which Kobe is.

Saying that Kobe shots 23 shots per game, and at least 3 shots more than the other players in the league, proves exactly what I am saying.
He touches the ball more than any. And the outcome of it is that he will shoot more than others compared to passing the ball.


His shooting more doesn't mean he touches it more. Just means, he shoots it more.
For example: just because.... Westbrook, touches the ball, passes the ball to Durant or Harden, they shoot and miss, no assist for Westbrook, does not mean he never touched the ball.

I would like to see empircal evidence that supports your "claim" that Kobe touches the ball more than anyone. For 1. I guarentee you that there are players whom touch the ball more.

secondly, have you ever watched Carmello play? You're telling me he touches the ball for less time? Again, I would like empiracal evidence that supports your "claim"

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Date: 8/16/2012 4:35:20 AM
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Well that's because the Laker's PGs are a**. Anyway that's a discussion for a different thread

In the NBA the definition of PG is very lose.
As a fact, Kobe is the one who's in charge on the offensive-flow.
For that, 5.6 AST is not much.
No, he's not in charge. To be at that elite level, you have to be a team player (which sometimes means taking it yourself). You can argue all you like, but until you realise that, to get to that level it takes that attitude, you won't understand.

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Date: 8/16/2012 6:22:58 AM
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Well that's because the Laker's PGs are a**. Anyway that's a discussion for a different thread

In the NBA the definition of PG is very lose.
As a fact, Kobe is the one who's in charge on the offensive-flow.
For that, 5.6 AST is not much.
No, he's not in charge. To be at that elite level, you have to be a team player (which sometimes means taking it yourself). You can argue all you like, but until you realise that, to get to that level it takes that attitude, you won't understand.

Even if will take it as you wrote and say that he MUST throw that much, it doesn't explain the fact compared to players "of the elite level" who touches the ball the same has much more assist than he does.

For example Lebron has about 15% more assist, and he plays with Wade who share the ball with him.
Nash is an elite player, and of course he has much more assist.
D. Will, the same.
etc.

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Date: 8/16/2012 6:49:50 AM
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Even if will take it as you wrote and say that he MUST throw that much, it doesn't explain the fact compared to players "of the elite level" who touches the ball the same has much more assist than he does.

For example Lebron has about 15% more assist, and he plays with Wade who share the ball with him.
Nash is an elite player, and of course he has much more a


Diwght Howard touches the Ball more then J.J. Reddick, but have much less 3 point attempts. What i try to say, maybe Nash is the better passer then Kobe with a better feeling for his teammates, while Kobe can read his defender better and have more tools to beat then. So considering there skills, the optional move of those player for the team is different.

And sicne ego meanss that he play weaker, and Kobe is your example for it i don't think he plays with less effort against then as long the game is not decided. And when he plays with weak teammates, against a strong team(which is weaken then his) he also take his serious like nearly all pros. Yes he would take more shot, but that is already included in the GE.

Edit: probadly we should get back to the suggestion, and not about Kobe or other players.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 8/16/2012 6:50:23 AM

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223332.31 in reply to 223332.29
Date: 8/16/2012 7:51:28 AM
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You're basing your claims on absolutely zero empirical evidence. Get the empirical evidence, have it work for you, then you can win this one.

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Date: 8/16/2012 11:13:39 AM
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Even if will take it as you wrote and say that he MUST throw that much, it doesn't explain the fact compared to players "of the elite level" who touches the ball the same has much more assist than he does.

For example Lebron has about 15% more assist, and he plays with Wade who share the ball with him.
Nash is an elite player, and of course he has much more a


Diwght Howard touches the Ball more then J.J. Reddick, but have much less 3 point attempts. What i try to say, maybe Nash is the better passer then Kobe with a better feeling for his teammates, while Kobe can read his defender better and have more tools to beat then. So considering there skills, the optional move of those player for the team is different.
A lesser passer pass badly. Like Howard will shoot badly.
AKA - Not knowing how to pass means higher turnovers rate much more than lower AST numbers.

A player that does not pass an shoots is the definition of an egoistic player.

And it is not that the percentage of Kobe are higher than all of his teammates, or compared to Nash. And that is w/o checking the numbers.

And sicne ego meanss that he play weaker, and Kobe is your example for it i don't think he plays with less effort against then as long the game is not decided. And when he plays with weak teammates, against a strong team(which is weaken then his) he also take his serious like nearly all pros. Yes he would take more shot, but that is already included in the GE.

Edit: probadly we should get back to the suggestion, and not about Kobe or other players.
When you play with much weaker offensive teammate you will not pass that much.

When the team you are playing against is much weaker, you will not play just as hard.

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