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what you said are all true, i also respect and like the answer of the two polska people BB king and pewu...very smart people answered the issue of the foreigner from japan with supporting data and showing that issues raise by this foreigner that live in japan, what is his name wolfe?....as something any player from any nation or country experience. no discrimination here, those that lose and quit didn't try to play hard enough, or they didn't bother enough to analyse the game, learned from others or read the guide and forums to win. a true player will naturally lose a lot in his first season and he accept this with respect to others that are playing this game longer than he had. he will also accept that he will make mistakes....but the good thing is he will learn from this mistakes and it will make him a better player.

Man think about what you are telling me. It's called rich problems. It seems 2-3 millions profit in 1st season is too less for you, while about 70% new users (about 70% user plays in just 15 countries) has problems with even make any profit. You showed me teams managed by managers which I think don't care about that game. 2 of them were logged last time 2 weeks ago. It means they didn't read articles on forum or maybe even game manual. Why I should I care about weak managers? If they can't count and manage their teams, they will bankrupt even in 7th division.

total cost just under 4million spent...so far (and he still needs to spend another 1.5 million or so to full size IMO)

That's the best part. You are sad, because he doesn't have full size arena? After 2,5 half season? It's ridiculous. It's mine 12 season and I still have no chance to have full arena. There are much more managers who plays 10+ seasons and still have no 20k+ arena. We don't have such a money to expand arena and stay competitive.

God bless, you are not playing in such a leagues as: polish, spanish, german, italian, american etc. Then you will wrote twice much posts about...macronation discrimination :)

BTW, If you start in D1 there is no way to go bankrupt even if you pay salary floor and lose every match. Another count:

Salaries: 342 000$ (190 000$ *1,8)
Staff: 45 000 $ (let's say he trains someone)
Scouting: 0 $

Arena: 131 500$ (maximum prices and maximum attendance)
Merchandise: 45 000$ (seems proper, but could be even higher. I had in D2 60k merch even with salaries under salary floor)
TV: 190 000$ (is that current TV contract?)

Profit: (190 000 + 45 000 - 45 000) * 14 + 131 500 * 11 - 342 000 * 12 = 16 500$ + bonus for newcomers

14 weeks - all season
12 salaries - you don't pay salaries if you don't play PO or relegation matches
11 matches in regular season

can this thread be closed. we seem to be going nowhere.

the hypothesis is partly right, there is discrimination. but i think you're overstating it.

what you want is positive discrimination. negative discrimination consists of applying different action when 2 situations are identical similar. you want the same benefit applied to different situations. meaning div I(such as all div I teams in the world, meaning TV revenue and merchandise) profits while maintaining div 4-5 salaries(averages for advanced countries) while not being forced to spend, because competition is weak for the moment

seeing that the salary floor does not affect competitive balance(©David Stern) in YOUR country, other factors being to blame, what are we still debating....

His arena at max prices did NOT sell out. His incomewas around 360k a week

He has wrong proportion between different seats and he set wrong ticket prices.
You showed example of manager who set maximal prices and even didn't think about reduction.
By using the same arena but better ticket prices he should have 30-40k more attendance or something like that.
By using the same amount of cash used to expand arena but with better proportion between seats he should have next 20-30k more attendace.

Then he made 200k a week. That is about 2 million ,considering weeks paid salary but no homegame.

And these 2 milion is gained by weak manager who has no knowledge about BuzzerBeater, but he has luck to play in small country and start in high division. Meanwhile good and smart manager with good knowledge in 5th division can't gain even 200k per season.

He will hit 16 weeks soon. I'll let you do the math. He actually started in II.1. Look at what he has been earning on his arena. You do the math how much he has made. now you jump this team into JBBL and tell me what his finances look like after 16 week grace period

It looks like big day for BuzzerBeater! Wolph discovered that teams in 2nd division gain less money than teams in 1st division. I tell you more. Team in 3rd div gains less than team in 2nd div, team in 4th div gains less tahn team in 3rd div, etc. And therefore it's better to play in small country, because you start in higher division.

Second thing. After promotion to 1st division team gains 1M prize. It's enough to build for example 5000 bleachers or whole sector with luxury boxes or whole with courside seats.

I get it. You can't handle the truth.

I agree he coudl set prices better ,but he has build the most and set the best prices of any of the teams I showed you.

Wrong prices aren't case of micro nation. So please don't mix these things. If manager in macro nation set wrong prices he will go to bankrupt as well.

In 5th division in a large nation you are playing OTHER TEAMS IN A 5th division, making what you are making.

If they are older it isn't easy to beat them too. New team in 5th division can gain 20k per week. It's speed of development of new team in big country. It's easier to gain 14M in small country than 2M in big country.

so if he makes 2 million a season, he will be competing at our level in roughly SEVEN SEASONS....

And where is the problem? In my country all teams, which started later than in 3rd season (1st season in Poland) still aren't competitive for few teams, which started ind 3rd season. Championships was won 18 times in row only by teams, which joined to BB in 1st season in our country.
In your country in your first season you was in top-16 teams in cup. After 7 season you won Championships. And please note, that you are weak manager with weak knowledge about BB, I know dozens better managers than you in 3rd / 4th division in my country.

That means he gets to wait about 2 real world calendar years to win games. And you wonder why micronations STAY micronations??????

But it isn't problem of salary floor or micro nation discrimination. It happens only because micronation is micronation and only more users can change it.

Teams in micro nations have huuuuge advantage in comparision to teams in big countries. These changes only decrease this advantage.


Please note one more thing. I played in 5th division and I played in 1st division. I know how it is to play in the lowest division and how it is to play in top division. You don't know it, you only know 2 levels, and one of them is level full of bots.

Last edited by B.B.King at 8/21/2012 5:55:19 AM