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Sanchez is the new Wolph.

Really? He didn't comment on a post from 10 years ago LOL

Wolph was the guy who repeated again and again that everything in BB is OD and IS?
Because it happens that that unbalance has been up to some point finally fixed.

I mean, I don't mind being called a troll or compared to another troll. We do our thing. That's much better than being the average little lamb.

I enjoy BBM a lot, but I think there's still a problem that should be adressed - the team ratings and the gap between some of us.

I know we've been told, that in the upcoming season the "rating reset" will happen in a different manner, so that the teams would be arranged according to the correct tier. However, that fixes only a small bit of the problem.

I'm currently in Tier 3, meaning I'm supposed to play against teams rated 2048 - 3072. Here are some teams that are yet to be beaten:

(96734) 2033 - 770 | 1kk salaries.
(44977) 2249 - 489 | 1kk salaries.
(177409) 2130 - 991 | 616k salaries. (this one's rather fair, despite the rating)

3rd place team - 661k salaries.
4th place team - 464k salaries.
5th place team - 1,3kk salaries.
6th place team - 448k salaries.

10th place team - 887k salaries.
14th place team - 685k salaries

Me, a noob with somewhat 400k salaries at 5-1, with a very random-powered loss, and the rest of the unbeaten teams.

Don't know about you guys, but i see some abnormalities here for tier3. Looking at the situation objectively, 4th (!) place team has a sub 1% chance of winning the tournament, because there are opponents that are simply out of his league :)

Meaning, at the start of the PO part, we basically have 3 teams that are predestined to win (with the exception of only 3 other teams that can possibly beat them) and would be equally competetive with the 1st place of tier2.

The point of this post - it's rather unfair. Yes, i do realise, that life is unfair, too :P . But our real life examples of what we're trying to do here, do have some fair play assurements (so that LAL couldn't play with a full all-star lineup and just smack Hornets to oblivion). And we all know the tool for it - a salary cap.

Be it a dynamic cap (team with a bigger salary can only have 150% of the opposing teams salary, if the lower salary is above 350k) or a hard cap of somewhat 650k (numbers of both variants can change according to what the community seems fit. I'm only looking from perspective of T3), I firmly believe such addition to BBM would make it more fun for everyone, especially for the top seeds of tier3 with a regular salary of ~ 500k.


Last edited by Kritulys at 8/12/2021 3:00:12 AM

No, I've just begun my research on it a few hours ago, didn't really bother looking up the abnormalities at the start of the league. We can trace it down by simply looking up his transactions tho :P

I didn't mean to change the system to be salary based, because it would be even more unfair. I find the rating system good as is, except for a lack of restrictions. Also, I'm adressing this to, maybe, find an easy to implement solution to it.

It's a competetive game, so dodging all unfairness is not a possible task (64th and the 1st team won't have a complete 50/50, so it's automatically unfair, but at an acceptable rate), but when top 10 teams don't even have a chance at beating the number one team, well, it's not great. Especially, when the Tier3 mammoths can even compete with an ease when upped a tier (or two, even).

That's why I'd love to see something like a hard salary cap in the games - you can't use players, whos combined salaries exceed X amount. Well, a tier (or an elevated average of sorts) based salary ceiling.

Or if possible, some sort of a relegation/promotion game for the league abnormalities. But I haven't had the time to figure out how that'd work (or if it'd work).

As you've mentioned, since we do get compensation for the games, it's not something I'd be very angry about if it wasn't fixed, however it's something I'd be extremely happy about if it was :P

Oh yes, since I'm playing with 30-40k starters I really do know that , but we're comparing 1,3kk salaries to 500k salaries. There's no world where this is not a 10 out of 10 win for the wealthy guy :P.


And yes, I can only second the trust to BB's (especially with addition of Justin and Dr-J), although I still find a need to outline problems, if i see any :P

Last edited by Kritulys at 8/12/2021 5:09:51 AM

I suspect that this will iron itself out in a couple seasons.

My guess is that the world ranking will become much more accurate. Before this, there was not that much inter-country play, other than scrimmages which people don't necessarily field their starters and private leagues, which can be used for experimentation.

So, how to value a 11-11 team in two different leagues? With BBM, there are a lot more inter-country games and so, after a season or two, the rankings will become more accurate.

If a team is way overmatched for its tier, it will lose a lot and its ranking will go down and then, the next season it will be in a lower tier. Same if its overmatched.

While your salary is way lower, apparently your team is well suited for its tier because its in the top what, 1% of teams in the tier? Even though you have no chance to win your tier, you will make the playoffs which only like 5% of the tier gets to do. Just because you dont have a chance to win the whole thing doesn't mean that the system is broken and needs to be fixed.

Managers from small countries still have a huge advantage in this competition.

If two teams are at similar level in this competition, you have to know that the manager from, for example, Spain is infinitely better manager than the manager from, let's say, England or Australia.

I thought a bit more about this. Now I understand that managers from small countries like this competition. They don't have real competition in their home leagues. All semi-inactive managers and bots there. So they enjoy some real competition, and they still have that big advantage that allows them to think that they are good managers when compared to div.3 teams from Spain or Italy.

But let's be honest. This competition is just a useless patch to avoid doing what in reality should be done: [merge all the leagues together.

In the past, people could dream of this game growing and growing and having a lot of big leagues. Not anymore. Today even the most competitive league would benefit from being bigger and having a true div.4 and a more competitive div.3.

My guess is that the world ranking will become much more accurate

Does BBM even influence world rankings? My rating has reacted to me losing league games and not changed much after won BBM games. So I don't find this statement accurate.

While your salary is way lower, apparently your team is well suited for its tier because its in the top what, 1% of teams in the tier? Even though you have no chance to win your tier, you will make the playoffs which only like 5% of the tier gets to do. Just because you don't have a chance to win the whole thing doesn't mean that the system is broken and needs to be fixed.

That's why I argue not for myself, but for most of yet to be beaten teams. The number 4 team has close to zero odds of winning, despite it being THE number 4 team. And lets not forget that most of the 1 percent that you're mentioning (same as with 5%) have the same odds. I don't find this very appealing from a competitive point of view.

If you find this OK, well, I guess you never played real sports. Or anything competitive at that note.

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But if the BBM was made just for fun, and not to boost the competitive side of things, sure I'll take it anyway:D.