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I really don't agree. I am not scared by these changes. I welcome them. I know that this is still the infancy or toddler stage of this game so I expect changes to come and ( like I have said before ) am not making any long-term moves until I see a sort of equilibrium reached. If I lose some dough because potentials change or have to downgrade my arena, so what? It is part of the game and, in fact, simulates the unexpected bumps in the road that any GM faces in owning and managing a sports franchise.

Come on mate.. you arent making long term moves yet you and I have been playing this game since late 2007..... thats over 18months and you arent prepared to stick your neck out and make decisions thru fear of them being incorrect????

i cant imagine playing this for the rest of my life!! Are you going to just 'outlast' the whole of the competition or wait for the game to be so harmonious with your ideals before you commit to making decisions...

its like the stockmarket... you lose more money from not being in than being in......
I cant see which decisions you are holding back from making anyway....what are you waiting to decide on doing and based on what are you not willing to commit?

Well, in truth, the reason I am not making any long-term plans is that I just don't think about it very much. I just sort of bounce along. I'm not scared of being incorrect. I have no burning desire to daytrade my way to the top or argue for construction cost restitution or single position train 18 year old hall of famers or whatnot, so I am obviously making incorrect decisions all the time. I'm just arguing this point because it seems crazy for people to be getting so bent out of shape about changes to a game that's still so young, and I think giving back 100% of the money is wrong.

And you are absolutely right about not seeing which decisions I'm holding back from- I don't see any either.

As far as the stock market goes I've never bought or sold a single share of stock in my life. I have no interest in it at all.

Despite our different approaches, I am with you in nearly all that you write, you know as well as I do that your decisions to date have not been incorrect and although I also agree that the game is in its infancy (least we hope it all is!) that does not give reasoning in my opinion from abstaining from long term strategies.

The change in potentials was an overnight killer...... what my team would look like now I hate to imagine if there was no cap on allstar potentials. I certainly would have $10mil + in the bank and the majority of my old guys... but we had to move on and slowly i've rotated out a few that don't or I can't prioritise training more in favour of those that can and that I will do.

I've taken a very aggressive approach this past few weeks by acquiring players that I hope will bring in the big TV money and I am speculating (whilst prepared to act and downsize if totally wrong) that the income that L.1 teams gets will be higher on average than that we receive today. There are many reasons I believe this will happen and if they dont i forsee training profits dwindle even more / newer teams losing interest because its too difficult to make money and in turn stagnation on the transfer market in general.

I guess my decision is if I'm right I'll continue to enjoy the game and building my team - if I'm wrong, chances are i will lose interest in the game anyway becuase the transfer market and training (which are the 2 elements I enjoy - i watch the matches but these are all pre-determined so what can you do other than watch?) will go further downhill.

I hope for player values to widen from $1k-$5mil where they are at the moment to $1k - $10mil. If the ranges narrow down further to $1k-4mil or even lower, I don't see how teams can actively improve fast enough and the enjoyment factor will dwain.

Of course if i'm wrong I will lobby to have my recent transfers and wages re-imbursed as i couldve used that money on scouting or an arena upgrade :D

I can see how your enthusiasm for the game could dwindle if things begin to stagnate. I also like training plus I like arena management, the forums, and flag chasing. My biggest enjoyment of the game is a bit more esoteric. I LOVE basketball, have been around it all my life, and a lot of my enjoyment comes from the make-believe aspect- I have a little hoop team I run which is located in a tiny village in rural Thaialnd. I try to do well but I don't really get too upset if I lose and I try to take the changes that come along with a sense of "Okay let's turn this way now." Much like you do, only less aggressively. I just signed an NT player with hopes of more merch revenue next season and have been looking for some decent Thai players on the TL. Out of the 7 available only one has a salary of over $5k.

For me the improvements to the game should be made in the possibility that a worse team can beat a better team. This just doesn't happen very often and it should happen sometimes. Maybe the penalty for TIE should be increased and/or the bonus for CT increased. I know it is difficult to simulate off-nights, hot streaks, and lucky breaks, but they happen enough in real basketball that I wish it happened here more often. I took my wife to a Kings game when we were in Sacramento earlier this year and they trounced the Suns. The Kings were the worst team in the division and the Suns were battling for the final playoff spot.

I admire Mr. Burns, who is beginning again in the lowest Italian division. That's a good solution to the stagnation problem only that in Nippon or Thailand you have to go aaaaaall the way down to the second division!

Anyway, I hope you stick around. I think your ideas and attitude are good for the community. Plus I've always been a big fan of Dizzy Dean.

Starting at the all star break this year, every league will be negotiating its TV contract independently, and leagues in larger divisions or with more superstars will be able to make deals with larger TV networks, making it possible for more people to follow their team from the comfort of their home.

In principle, will these calculations for future TV contracts be same by country? Same formula for Div I in USA, Japan and Estonia?

That interest leads me to general question: do you make difference for same division level teams by country then calculationg STH-s and merchandise profit or are all basically equal?

You've hit the nail on the head as to why i need or crave the changes or action... its because i dont actually have an underlying interest in the sport itself.

From the day i signed up til now i've watched a couple of extended highlights games by chance on TV and then the 'play of the day' on CNN sports when it happens to be a basketball highlight.

The solution to get lower teams performing with higher teams is to create wider risks in the choices we have. All i see now are more confined choices to limit managers.

Im sure there are more excellent changes a foot that will likely appeal to lovers of the game like yourself with respect to the game engine. I have tried to picture how the tactics we've got to chose from relate to the players skills im buying and im sure if i knew more about the game in general i wouldnt have had to splash so much cash.

Anyhow, I'm not disappearing anytime soon.. i have committed to training a decent Japanese prospect who I hope will stick with me for some time to come. I can't wait for me closest rivals to spend the $200k+ a week profit they are making on some chunky new signings which will further enhance the playability of the JBBL.

I just hope that I can continue to get my 'fix' for this game through the training and trading of players. I think the last 2 training pops I received have added another $30k to my salary alone so there will definitely have to be some more comings and goings before the season is out :D

with all the coming changes, i honestly dont know what is considered a big arena or a small arena? i am filling my 16k arena at the moment, but what about next season? should i continue to build with me attracting more fans at the moment or just stop for now?

i need answers for my long term of training players and managing salaries. it would be a shame that after all that work to find myself going bankrupt with the start of season 10.

a small arena is 5000 seats. A big arena is 40000 seats. Filling your arena next season will be a function of your win-loss record, your fan survey, and your ticket prices. You should do what you think is best for your team.

don't forget they give you 100% money back, so if you build to much you could go back if you build to less you have still to build it.

So this season it si a good decision to put unused money into the arena.

i think a good size of arena will be around 25k,

right now im still aiming for that and continue to buld my arena :D

This discussion has been superb -- it is a pleasure to be competing with people who are capable of bringing this sort of understanding / analysis to the game.

I understand the problem to be one of compensating with an extraordinary windfall those teams who are already blessed. It's as though the government were to suddenly place a cap on housing prices and forced the richest to sell their homes -- but at the price they paid for it. So Bill Gates gets his 100 million back, free to spend, while suffering the indignities of having to live like the rest of us.

That said, may I offer what appears to me to be an alternative, possible solution? Could we instead view the diminishing seating capacity of the more successful teams as creating a surge in demand for TV viewing? That we (ha! -- I mean the math whizzes who run this game) figure out a way of prorating a TV "bonus" for those teams who sacrifice / destroy seats. As a suggestion, maybe a 5% bonus for every 2500 seats; and that this bonus would diminish over time (say 5 seasons)? This way, the rich teams would get their investment back, but not at once. And, if TV revenues are a function of performance, then the rich team would have an incentive to maintain their performance levels, not receive a windfall that almost any idiot could use to boost their team's abilities.

I suppose the idea is just as the returns from the increased seating capacity is a gently rising curve, so should the returns from the diminished seating capacity be a gently falling curve.