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Alright folks. Let's settle down and get this back on target or I'm going to have to, um, do something! And don't make me have to write the story about the time that I once did something!

I'd love it if somebody could pull in some NBA stats that tracks 3pt% with FT%. I bet there's some correlation there and could help make the point about the FT skill needing a little bit of a reality check.

Since I think that guards are commonly better FT shooters than inside player, the FT problem has an easy fix (and it has being mention many times already): Make FT a secondary training for JS and/or JR (1 pop every three weeks) without removing the FT as a team training.

Presto

one pop every three weeks is perhaps too much, yet this could be a fix. Anyhoo, when i started the post, i wasn't asking for a major fix, just don't want to see 0/1000, or 8/100, and that even a guy three left hands(a righty, of course) should shoot at least 30%. I mean, even if you get a random guy of the streets, he's gonna go more than 10% from the line.

And most of the suggestions made would solve this issue, but nothing happens and sooner or later this game will fall apart because so many users quit because of the stagnancy we have for many seasons now.

Nobody in this entire game complains more than you do. You're always talking about how so many users are going to quit because of this change or that change, but for some reason you're still here. Irony?

I guess you really tried hard but couldnt do better. Next time.

very true about the close games comment.

If you don't want players missing all free throws then train them. Nothing should be changed in regard to Free Throws.

Agree.. if you don't want to see 0/1000 or 10/5000... train a bit of FT. Just 2 weeks will bring players from 0% FT to 30% FT. It's not like nothing can be done about it...

I'd love it if somebody could pull in some NBA stats that tracks 3pt% with FT%.

Here goes:

Name                Team    3FG%      FT%
Evan Turner         PHI     .800      .808
Darren Collison     IND     .667      .871
Ray Allen           BOS     .571      .881
Jrue Holiday        PHI     .524      .823
Al Harrington       DEN     .500      .735

This seasons leaders in 3FG% and their season records for FT%.
But i gotta say that even though i find the way a good 3p shooter can miss almost every FT he attempts i actually like it that way as FT's can make a big difference in the outcome of a game. And if you ignore it you may find yourself a few points short in some games that you would have won if you just would have trained FT ones or twice.

Thanks for grabing some numbers.

First, it looks like you're numbers a little screwy. I think you got stats from just the last 5 games of the season. Evan Turner actually shot 31.8% from 3pt. The 3pt leaders actually look like this:

Player, 3pt%, FT%
M. Bonner, 45.7%,74.4%
R. Allen, 44.4%, 88.1%
S. Curry, 44.2%, 93.4%
M. Bibby, 44.0%, 62.9%
L. Ridnour, 44.0%, 88.3%
R. Jefferson, 44.0%, 75.9%
J. Jones, 42.9%, 83.3%
A. Morrow, 42.3%, 89.7%
A. Afflalo, 42.3%, 84.7%
R. Williams, 42.3%, 74.6%
D. Cook, 42.2%, 80.0%

Just looking at the top 10 3pt shooters, two observations:
- Most have very solid, if not very high, FT%. (The league average I think was somewhere between 76-77%.)
- Bonner and Bibby show that a high 3pt% does not guarantee a high FT% (though note that Bibby is a career 80.2% FT shooter).

When looking beyond just the top 10 3pt% players, most players have solid FT%, some really great, with the odd player hovering around the league average.

Related to one of my above points about height, when looking at the top 10 players in FG%, 8 of them are at least 6'-10" (2 are 6'-8"), so obviously they're taking most of their shots in the paint (only 3 players average more than 0.1 3pt attampts per game, and only Lamar Odom averages more than 0.3 per game. Odom shot them at 38.2%, truly a freak of the game! Amazing!) But when you look at their FT%, only Pau Gasol shot better than 80% (82.3%), with 8 averaging under 76% (and 2 under 60%). Here's a website that demonstrates one possible explanation for affect of height on free throws:(http://www.noahbasketball.com/make_shots.php)

Here's a website that has some serious statistical FT analysis: (http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid...)
Discussion about FT training really could be enhanced if we all look at that article (it seems that FT really can't be improved much through training... and it's inconclusive about the affect of player height).

If FT training were to change, I tend to think that the rate of FT improvement should slow a bit, but also have a slight positive affect on JS (but not JR). I also think there should be a similar slight positive affect on FT when training JS and even more slight when training JR. I also think there should a be small training speed advantage to shorter players with FT training (just like tall players have an advantage with IS).

But let's see more stats, more evidence!

And most of the suggestions made would solve this issue,

There's even a solution already implemented in the game. I don't know if you have seen it, it's hidden on the training page and it's called FT-training.

BTW: Again no up for you this week, guess why ;)