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I wonder if this is the reality, and if so, why people throw millions on lvl.6 and lvl.7 coaches (or even lvl.5 ones), when a slightly worse one costs alnist nothing, as according to current prices, my assumption states that the difference should be at least 10% per level, starting from lvl. 5

The problem is not with the training speed but with the players (I mean us, the gamers) mindset. Imagine everyone knew and can calculate correctly the financial gain from having a better coach. Then the prices of the high-level coaches wouldn't be so inflated, but still will be significantly higher.

Because I had to buy a coach quickly for my first training session (just started the game 3 days ago), I made a quick research on the Staff market for level 4 and level 5 coaches (more about level 4). Depending on the purchasing price and the salary of the players I made calculation how much you would pay for a lvl 4 coach on a 24-weeks contract and how much you would pay for a lvl 5 coaches.

For the lvl 4 the prices varied between 395k and 550k roughly, with most coaches in the 400-450 interval. If you are really patient you may buy someone for as low as 350-360k. Some coaches with specialties might cost more than 500k.

For the lvl 5 I have less of statistical data but again for 24 weeks you would pay for a lvl 5 coach between 1.2m and 1.4m. Obviously much more than the assumed 3% difference in effectiveness.

And only one example for a lvl 6 coach - price for 24 weeks would be around 2.9m

The price raise is exponential while the effectiveness is linear. That's true probably because some players want the best no matter the price. 3% more is still 3% more And players training National players will also want the best coach. Also money is not issue for some hard training teams I guess.

Your last statement makes things even worse, since compared to the linear progress of coach levels, the difference between lvl 6 and lvl 7 or even lvl 5 and lvl 6 is even lower.

However, I do believe, or at least I hope, that those 3% stated by CP are wrong, and the actual difference between the coach levels is much bigger, even at higher levels.

Regarding the prices, besides the fact that people don't care about the money, I find them not being aware of the actual outcome of their investment. At least that's my case, since I've ben training for many seasons with lvl 6 coach, and feel that I've spent a lot of money for not as good "product" as I expected.

Last edited by ig at 1/26/2018 2:54:10 PM

All datas regarding training are an approximation. The problem is, training is not a linear equation as, the same authors of those studies, said once...and the sample of the comparison wasn't ever that big.

I may agree that you can produce an excellent player, TSP 130 with a level 4. Based on initial skill set, elastic effect etc. you can reach very high levels. However, assuming 3% is a right estimation, the difference in training provided by a coach does not represent the entire volume of training gained. Reaching higher levels sooner would enhance the cross training received by players, adding a % to the difference in terms of pure training.

I am not saying with a lv 4 you cannot train very very good players, I'm just saying reducing everything to this percentage is not a reliable way of thinking

Over time I came to draw most of my conclusions based on the info they had at the US NT site. Proud to have contributed with several seasons of training entries too. It was some amazing work they did there... shame it`s not available any more.

Adding my 50 cents - to put it short the difference between lvl 4 and lvl 7 coach, with all other factors been equal and say 55 starting TSP player, is ending up with 136 / 142. Whether those 6 SPs are worth it or not is a matter of circumstances and opinion.

When you are fighting for #1 (no matter club or NT) I think it`s definitely worth it. When trying to promote from div 4 to the top league - probably not... ;)

IIRC, wozzvt's data showed that the difference from lvl 4 to lvl 5 was about 3%. And the level difference was about the same for lvl 5 to lvl 6. But the only level that ever yielded enough data to be certain enough about was lvl 5. He never made pronouncements about the level differences below 4 or above 6. Add that to the explicit non-linear nature of BB levels, and this would lead me to believe that the differences between trainer effectiveness is greater than 3 when you go below 4 and less than 3 for 6-7.

I can't give hard data for this, but it wouldn't surprise me if the difference were something like this:

7=100%
6=99%
5=97%
4=94%
3=90%
2=85%
1=79%

But it would take more technical knowledge than I have to resurrect wozzvt's work and verify that. Besides, most people who make any real effort to train rarely have anything lower than a lvl 4. So I doubt we'll ever have real numbers about the lower levels.

"When you are fighting for #1 (no matter club or NT) I think it`s definitely worth it".

I doubt a lot that spending about 20M for lvl 7 coaches throughout the whole training period is worth it. To make that statement true, you have to reach a 170-skilled #1, I guess