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248324.232 in reply to 248324.229
Date: 9/30/2013 9:34:51 AM
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And you never asked me what players were needed for 2-3 so why do you assume I can't answer? I've played 2-3 zones pretty effectively in the past. They are not a clearcut defense that you just always use when someone wants to attack inside. You need opponents with bad outside shooting and you yourself need to have an SF that can really defend down low there as well (high ID, maybe SB as well but mine is average there) and bigs that have high SB.

So, to play 2-3 succesfully, you need certain conditions with which you could win with every other kind of defense. Good to know it


Last edited by Steve Karenn at 9/30/2013 9:37:01 AM

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248324.233 in reply to 248324.232
Date: 9/30/2013 6:20:26 PM
Cruesli
DBA Pro A
Overall Posts Rated:
525525
Second Team:
The Milk
If that's what you want to believe, then just keep playing MTM defense without thinking and trying out other things. I'll stick to using the options available to me to win matches.

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248324.234 in reply to 248324.232
Date: 9/30/2013 6:56:59 PM
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Absolutely agree , trying to get 2-3 zone to work on buzzerbeater is like trying polish a turd.

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248324.236 in reply to 248324.232
Date: 10/1/2013 1:08:26 AM
Kira Kira Koseki
II.3
Overall Posts Rated:
779779
Second Team:
Yubi Yubi
And in an indirect way, he's also saying that 2-3 zone is going to become even worse now that JR is cheaper, enticing more managers to train it.

From: Tesse
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248324.238 in reply to 248324.237
Date: 10/1/2013 3:02:17 AM
Cruesli
DBA Pro A
Overall Posts Rated:
525525
Second Team:
The Milk
I'm not sure whether the people that ask me to prove it actually want me to show examples of why it works or just want to keep screaming that it's impossible to run 2-3.

Just in case you guys really do have an open mind and want to think about these things, I'll post some stuff below. If there's a 0% chance that you'll be convinced that 2-3 is useful in ANY situation, please say so and I can start doing useful things with my time again.

In this match I just played against a team that I normally have trouble beating, that has more salary than I do and more expensive bigs. With a MTM my SF would only cover the SF so I thought I could use the added defense against those bigs as well and I believe my SB helped extra as well with 7 blocks. Based on my history in the DBA I don't think I would have won here with a regular MTM. (62741943).

I don't use 2-3 that often either. But here and in season 20 to 23 when De Headless Chickens was in my league it was a good option. (once again I'm not saying it always works....and my SB is not that high yet and still needs to develop further)

Combine this with the facts that Nachtmahr showed about SB in:

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(245985.82)
(245985.84)

And with the general assumption on these forums that SB improves in a zone defence in BB.


I hope this has made some of you at least consider the possibility that 2-3 is an offence that sometimes can be used. Wolph you can test it out more in your PL/federation.



Last edited by Tesse at 10/1/2013 3:02:50 AM

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From: Tesse

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248324.241 in reply to 248324.240
Date: 10/1/2013 5:31:58 AM
Cruesli
DBA Pro A
Overall Posts Rated:
525525
Second Team:
The Milk
Yeah the build in my team is not good enough yet either. I think my SF is fine for it (assuming he doesn't need that high SB) but my PF and C are still underdeveloped in SB (although they have at least some of it).

And you are correct in that 2-3 might work even better against LP since they attack even more down low and less with jumpshots. But I think in my old games against DHC I also defended succesfully against LI (he had the worst outside shooting so I only used it against him or unsuccesfully against CSP when I was desperate because he was better).

I'm already in a fun PL so I can't help with your federation but the idea sounds good (albeit a bit difficult due to gameshape) so I'd improve the samplesize a bit and compare only 2-3 and MTM at first. But I like the idea.






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248324.242 in reply to 248324.241
Date: 10/1/2013 5:56:43 AM
Kira Kira Koseki
II.3
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Second Team:
Yubi Yubi
So guys, about that 2-3 zone...

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