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161502.233 in reply to 161502.232
Date: 4/4/2011 8:03:30 AM
BC Hostivař
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
12021202
Second Team:
Jirkov
I made interesting estimate of attendance income, wage bills and profit/loss from attendace/wage for Big 8 in Czech Div I (I expect home win for quarter final and semifinal, I can recalculate it after the playoff and show real numbers):

1) BC Hostivař
wages 2 595 754 (1 297 877 per week)
attendance 1 890 000 (1 470 000 for just 2 final games)
lost -705 754 (and even -1 125 754 for final in 2 games)
2) Flumpaci
wages 905 951
attendance 620 000
lost -285 951
3) Planet Express
wages 532 167
attendance 205 000
lost -327 167
4) KINGZABA BLANSKO
wages 616 467
attendance 210 000
lost -406 467
5) BK Psions
wages 0 (usual weekly 560 112)
attendance 0
profit/lost 0
6) Wix Twix
wages 1 222 928 (611 464 without TB)
attendance 800 000 (480 000 without TB)
lost -422 928 (without TB -131 464)
7) Nightwalkers
wages 847 778 (423 889 without TB)
attendance 596 000 (438 000 without TB)
lost -251 778 without TB +14 111)
8) ABK Bohemians
wages 0 (usual weekly 427 991)
attendance 0
profit/lost 0

We can abstract for first 2 teams as they have much higher wage bill than the others, but #4 and #6 has equal wage bill, but #6 will earn much more money in next 2 weeks. #3 has lower salaries than #6 and will earn much less money ... #3 and #4 will lose money (even if they win quarterfinal and lost in away semifinal) whilst #5 is on 0.
I'm really not sure that such a huge difference will be compensated enough in next season by influence of I am pleased with the team's performance last season.

Edit: With new calculation it doesn't look as weird as before, except for 5th comparing to 3rd and 4th.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 4/4/2011 10:21:10 AM

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161502.234 in reply to 161502.233
Date: 4/4/2011 8:09:49 AM
BC Hostivař
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
12021202
Second Team:
Jirkov
And for compare, numbers how it would look in old system

1) BC Hostivař
lost -705 754 (and even -1 125 754 for final in 2 games)
2) Flumpaci
lost -1 191 902
3) Planet Express
lost -859 334
4) KINGZABA BLANSKO
lost -1 022 934
5) BK Psions
lost -1 120 224
6) Wix Twix
lost -422 928 (-742 928 for series in 2)
7) Nightwalkers
lost -251 778 (-409 778 for series in 2)
8) ABK Bohemians
lost -855 982

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161502.235 in reply to 161502.234
Date: 4/4/2011 8:19:20 AM
BC Hostivař
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
12021202
Second Team:
Jirkov
Unfortunatelly, I didn't mention sentence Teams in a relegation series will only pay second week salaries if they end up playing a decisive game during the second week. in news before season 15, so I haven't commented it yet.
I think due to this particular rule not much changed at profitability 5th vs. 6th rank.
And in addition of whole change 5th became more profitable than 4th and 3rd.

From: Marot

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161502.236 in reply to 161502.235
Date: 4/4/2011 8:39:09 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
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Teams ending in 5th position receive income from TV revenue&merchandising, but they pay staff salaries.


So this is just n/c, they don't pay salaries, but they receive income? :/


EDIT:

1 team in first division(or in any division) that finish 5th can make more money than the first 4 teams... For example 1 team finshing 5th can make around 200-250k of profit in 1 week since they receive incomes.

So we are talking that a team that finish 5th makes more money than one that finished 1st or 2nd.

Why a team that finish 2nd wants to finish 2nd if the team that finish in 5 position makes more money and can abuse of day-trading since they don't pay salaries?

Last edited by Marot at 4/4/2011 8:53:56 AM

From: CrazyEye

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161502.237 in reply to 161502.236
Date: 4/4/2011 8:59:30 AM
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probadly because both of them go a bit kamikaze, for winning the B3 ;)

From: Marot
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161502.239 in reply to 161502.236
Date: 4/4/2011 9:01:30 AM
Overall Posts Rated:
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Last but not least, this is favouring the top teams and the unbalance between divisions.



Congratulations to this new fantastic rule.

From: rwystyrk

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161502.240 in reply to 161502.236
Date: 4/4/2011 9:15:30 AM
BC Hostivař
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
12021202
Second Team:
Jirkov
I didn't mentioned TV revenue&merchandising as TV revenue is the same for all teams and makes no difference. Merchandise could be a point, but I'm not sure how depend it is on last season/this season performance. Maybe it could bring some more money for better ranked team, but I can't calculate how much.
For me the most important is comparing teams with 1 rank difference like 4th vs. 5th or 5th or 6th because I think there is not big difference on next season attendance income and merchandise income dependent on this difference.
Difference in these additional incomes between 2nd and 5th or 6th should be much more difficult to calculate.

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161502.241 in reply to 161502.238
Date: 4/4/2011 9:22:10 AM
BC Hostivař
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
12021202
Second Team:
Jirkov
Trying to hit the 5th or even 6th position instead of 4th or 3rd lookes really very competitive.
With current value of training it is really big compensation to have more training slots.
So that you understand me right. I’m not complaining about incomes of 1st ranked team. I would like to point to unbalanced situation of almost equal teams which finally end on 1 win or even PD difference at the middle of the table.

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161502.243 in reply to 161502.242
Date: 4/4/2011 9:25:34 AM
BC Hostivař
II.2
Overall Posts Rated:
12021202
Second Team:
Jirkov
This week they didn't pay salaries. If their relegation series end 2-0 or 0-2 they will not pay salaries next week as well. If the series goes to TB at 1-1 they will pay salaries next week.
It follows this statement from the news:
Teams in a relegation series will only pay second week salaries if they end up playing a decisive game during the second week.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 4/4/2011 9:25:40 AM

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