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40617.234 in reply to 40617.231
Date: 8/3/2008 11:19:47 AM
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You'd excuse me if I feel strongly about someone trying to do brain surgery with a pickaxe.


This analogy applies across the board though, we're all taking a big hit, and it's much more complex then this isolated issue.

There is also the point that established teams are the driver in top players with top salaries, steadily training become more and more expensive as salaries start to grow at a higher rate. How will top teams survive, they are doomed with the pending expenses while have revenue greatly reduced!

There's the potential skill cap, established teams are or will be having players start to hit there caps, how can top teams survive this, they are doomed!

I overstated the emphasis on these last two examples cause, at this point, it's only realistic concern. But, as a realistic concern it also adds to the issues established teams have to deal with that newer teams don't.

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40617.235 in reply to 40617.233
Date: 8/3/2008 11:21:19 AM
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Here is what the news item clarifying the economic changes says:
Further, we're not taking away 40% of all income. While the new attendance formula will leave the global average attendance in the same spot, the opponent's fan base will have a larger impact, which will result in higher-division teams seeing slightly higher attendance.


Additionally, during the initial round of forum discussion when the BBs were actively involved, it was mentioned that the actual decrease in revenue is supposed to be close to 25%. That's everything I know in terms of numbers concerning the upcoming changes.

From this one can easily infer an expected 25% increase in attendance -- you need to increase base income by 25% in order to end up with 75% of base income after a 40% nominal tax.

Hopefully, this is not too confusing. It is also just an educated guess from the bits and pieces of information I caught in the forums.



"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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40617.236 in reply to 40617.235
Date: 8/3/2008 11:24:31 AM
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if you were to hazard a guess would you say that a 25% increase in attendence could translate to being able to raise ticket prices by 25% instead?

edit - sorry either one OR the other..

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40617.237 in reply to 40617.234
Date: 8/3/2008 11:25:37 AM
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You'd excuse me if I feel strongly about someone trying to do brain surgery with a pickaxe.


This analogy applies across the board though, we're all taking a big hit, and it's much more complex then this isolated issue.

There is also the point that established teams are the driver in top players with top salaries, steadily training become more and more expensive as salaries start to grow at a higher rate. How will top teams survive, they are doomed with the pending expenses while have revenue greatly reduced!

There's the potential skill cap, established teams are or will be having players start to hit there caps, how can top teams survive this, they are doomed!

I overstated the emphasis on these last two examples cause, at this point, it's only realistic concern. But, as a realistic concern it also adds to the issues established teams have to deal with that newer teams don't.

These measures are implemented precisely because top teams are still way behind the perceived cap. If they were close to the cap we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Having in mind that the measures will slowly be relaxed as team salaries increase, I don't think the survival of top teams is up for scrutiny here.

Just for the record, I do have a DI team in Hattrick, so I know full well how the situation pans out in the long run.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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40617.238 in reply to 40617.234
Date: 8/3/2008 11:59:04 AM
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Of course you are not worried about the future of BB. You just want us to understand that what ever decision is best for You, is also best for everyone.

That's why I also think this BB will be, at the end, the "international" league between USA and Italy.

Egoistic thinking is NOT always a virtue!

edit: Please stay on topic. This thread is not meant for political discussions. Thanks.

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40617.239 in reply to 40617.237
Date: 8/3/2008 12:02:12 PM
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The only thing that I've learned from this discussion is teams from new/newer countries in top divisions may or may not be afflicted worse then teams from other top divisions, depending on how they invested their profits.

Most of this appears to be due to some confusion on how much a "slight increase" in attendance really is. It's hard to say how a 40% decrease in tick rev, 60% decrease in TV money, and an undisclosed change in how cup/b3 revenue comes to equal only 25% decrease overall. You're right, it would require a large increase in attendance to offset this, but that's in direct contradiction of the comments from the news items.

Seems that you're jumping to conclusions. I've played hattrick for 12-13 seasons and one of the things I really like about BB is success in the league is rewarded. On the other hand, at one point choosing to avoid promotion to DII, I'd learned that success is not rewarded, and am now doing much better financially in DIV. HT is also really boring in the sense is pays not to succeed, though we'll see how their recent changes in the past couple seasons play out before giving up on the game.

"Well, no ones gonna top that." - http://tinyurl.com/noigttt
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40617.240 in reply to 40617.239
Date: 8/3/2008 12:08:53 PM
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Well, tell me why these changes to the rules are made without any warnings. Could you maybe explaine the reason for this?

For me it sounds like some VIP persons have heard about it for a season and for the others this came as a blizzard from clear sky!

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40617.241 in reply to 40617.239
Date: 8/3/2008 12:13:19 PM
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Seems that you're jumping to conclusions.

I am just trying to estimate the effect of a measure, which is part of what I do for a living.

I don't see how the suggested structure can be effective when it doesn't target the actual gate receipt income variable (arena size), but rather some variable (division level), which might be correlated with income, but is not necessarily its principle determinant at this point.

There are so many posts in this thread, and I am yet to see one sensible argument against basing the gate receipt tax on arena size.



Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 8/3/2008 12:14:22 PM

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Date: 8/3/2008 12:17:59 PM
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For me it sounds like some VIP persons have heard about it for a season and for the others this came as a blizzard from clear sky!


It was a "blizzard from the clear sky" for everyone, no one was prepared for this.

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40617.243 in reply to 40617.241
Date: 8/3/2008 12:20:39 PM
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I'm not arguing this outline of a suggestion you've created, I'm arguing that with the details we've been provided for the changes there's really not enough information to conclude what you have.

Concerns? Yes. But, as I meant to point out in a prior post, there are lots of concerns for my team, but there's little evidence that these concerns are little more then something I should keep in mind when making decisions. I don't know for certain what a players skill cap will be, and even though it could be a major detriment to my future plans, it doesn't mean that is.

Last edited by brian at 8/3/2008 12:24:48 PM

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Date: 8/3/2008 12:39:09 PM
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As I said my opinion in Finnish thread, this certainly will devide managers according to Arena capacity.

I'm afraid there will be lot of new bots in next season, when not so active managers notice that they can't keep alive their teams without continous positive player trades.

It's really a shame. But... maybe this is the basic intention?

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