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164600.239 in reply to 164600.238
Date: 12/22/2010 5:01:36 AM
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I totally agree...It sure doesn't seem like anything is getting fixed...In fact it seems to be getting worse...

You've never participated in B3. personally I enjoy the changes. The tournament is gonna be much more interesting. Now if the top-teams are drawn in the first round - it doesn't mean one of the best teams will eliminate just because of the bad luck.
I'm saying this as a participant of B3, not as GM.

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164600.240 in reply to 164600.237
Date: 12/22/2010 9:34:28 AM
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If so, you obviously weren't following the B3 tournament too closely this season.


No, obviously not. I guess that's why I flopped in the predictions contest.

Let me get this right, though. This is being done because some people did not like that some top teams went out early? And this only affects less than 1% of all the teams in BB?

Why not fix the cup system, then. It is the exact same system that was used for the B3. However, we are told that for the cup system that the random draw is fair. Does it not follow that if one if flawed then so is the other? And doesn't the cup impact a heck of a lot more teams than the B3?

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164600.241 in reply to 164600.240
Date: 12/22/2010 9:41:27 AM
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No, the discussion was about the buy-player-for-1-game-pay-no-salary trick. This has now been effectively stopped by making players purchased past the start of the knockout phase ineligible.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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Date: 12/22/2010 9:54:46 AM
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No, the discussion was about the buy-player-for-1-game-pay-no-salary trick. This has now been effectively stopped by making players purchased past the start of the knockout phase ineligible.


Ah, I missed that part of the press release.

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164600.243 in reply to 164600.241
Date: 12/22/2010 11:48:14 AM
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No, the discussion was about the buy-player-for-1-game-pay-no-salary trick. This has now been effectively stopped by making players purchased past the start of the knockout phase ineligible.



Probably more suitable here:


Although you get money for wins I would estimate the top 32 would need to go at least 6-2 possibly and I would imagine some 6-2 with poor point differences will be eliminated.

Considering by week 3 its normal to see 75% of BB3 teams eliminated, we should statistically see more injuries to the top teams as they are all playing 8 games. Replacing key injuries is likely to prove tough unless you have provisions & so I predict that we might end up (but hope we won't) with teams that after just 2-3 weeks know they are out of contention for qualifying and this will lead to many walkovers - why risk setting a line up when there is no upside other than a token $50k to win and the potential of a key injury? Also as soon as you know you can't qualify for the final 32, you can lighten your roster to what you require to compete on a domestic level only.

I think that the idea of the new structure is great but in reality there are likely to be a whole load of meaningless fixtures after the first 3-4 games have been played.

With group games as well there is always more chance of making pacts..... you CT him and I'll TIE then you go to beat him etc. You don't set a team so the maximum win is 25-0 whilst I'm confident of beating the Bahamian champs by at least 50.

All in all - I think that more bad from good will come from the change. We're moving from 1 variable (highest wage monsters trading clubs twice weekly) to a whole new can of worms with potential gamesmanship between managers.

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164600.244 in reply to 164600.243
Date: 12/22/2010 12:07:11 PM
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Yeah, it seems if the goal was only to stop the "buy-player-for-1-game-pay-no-salary trick", I think there were other ways of doing that. For example, your suggestion of forcing teams to register their players before the tournament.

Although, I personally hope that there is something else in the pipelines to make setting walkovers extremely detrimental to your team. I say "personally" because I was the victim of this type of gamesmanship this season in league play... Basically, someone in my league decided to go out in a blaze of glory and set walkovers against the people that he disliked and scrub line-ups against people he did not have a grudge against.

Not that it affected my season in the end - but it could have. And I could also see the implications for B3 group play.

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Date: 12/22/2010 3:08:31 PM
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The group phase will involve 8 randomly assigned games. I'll go out on a limb and say that gamesmanship will not be an issue in this situation.

"I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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164600.246 in reply to 164600.245
Date: 12/22/2010 3:13:03 PM
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The group phase will involve 8 randomly assigned games. I'll go out on a limb and say that gamesmanship will not be an issue in this situation.


Maybe not as blatant as I suggested but if managers make decisions for the good of their team then anyone going 1-3 or -0-4 in the opening games don't really have any reason to field a line-up from here on.

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164600.247 in reply to 164600.245
Date: 12/22/2010 3:20:19 PM
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The group phase will involve 8 randomly assigned games.


I don't get it. So you could play the same team 8 times? You will not know your schedule in advance? I am slow, I think I need someone to draw me a picture.

Anyhow, I still don't see the difference between the B3 and the Cup. If the format is good for one tournament, why not the other? Again, a picture would help. ;-)

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Date: 12/22/2010 4:09:49 PM
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Have you ever seen serious injury in B3? I haven't, no injury I have seen was serious, all injuried players were always fit after the game. Even if I know it's said by BB's there can be serious injury in B3.

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