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40617.239 in reply to 40617.237
Date: 8/3/2008 12:02:12 PM
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The only thing that I've learned from this discussion is teams from new/newer countries in top divisions may or may not be afflicted worse then teams from other top divisions, depending on how they invested their profits.

Most of this appears to be due to some confusion on how much a "slight increase" in attendance really is. It's hard to say how a 40% decrease in tick rev, 60% decrease in TV money, and an undisclosed change in how cup/b3 revenue comes to equal only 25% decrease overall. You're right, it would require a large increase in attendance to offset this, but that's in direct contradiction of the comments from the news items.

Seems that you're jumping to conclusions. I've played hattrick for 12-13 seasons and one of the things I really like about BB is success in the league is rewarded. On the other hand, at one point choosing to avoid promotion to DII, I'd learned that success is not rewarded, and am now doing much better financially in DIV. HT is also really boring in the sense is pays not to succeed, though we'll see how their recent changes in the past couple seasons play out before giving up on the game.

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40617.240 in reply to 40617.239
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Well, tell me why these changes to the rules are made without any warnings. Could you maybe explaine the reason for this?

For me it sounds like some VIP persons have heard about it for a season and for the others this came as a blizzard from clear sky!

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Seems that you're jumping to conclusions.

I am just trying to estimate the effect of a measure, which is part of what I do for a living.

I don't see how the suggested structure can be effective when it doesn't target the actual gate receipt income variable (arena size), but rather some variable (division level), which might be correlated with income, but is not necessarily its principle determinant at this point.

There are so many posts in this thread, and I am yet to see one sensible argument against basing the gate receipt tax on arena size.



Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 8/3/2008 12:14:22 PM

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For me it sounds like some VIP persons have heard about it for a season and for the others this came as a blizzard from clear sky!


It was a "blizzard from the clear sky" for everyone, no one was prepared for this.

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Date: 8/3/2008 12:20:39 PM
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I'm not arguing this outline of a suggestion you've created, I'm arguing that with the details we've been provided for the changes there's really not enough information to conclude what you have.

Concerns? Yes. But, as I meant to point out in a prior post, there are lots of concerns for my team, but there's little evidence that these concerns are little more then something I should keep in mind when making decisions. I don't know for certain what a players skill cap will be, and even though it could be a major detriment to my future plans, it doesn't mean that is.

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As I said my opinion in Finnish thread, this certainly will devide managers according to Arena capacity.

I'm afraid there will be lot of new bots in next season, when not so active managers notice that they can't keep alive their teams without continous positive player trades.

It's really a shame. But... maybe this is the basic intention?

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Date: 8/3/2008 12:39:43 PM
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I understand your thinking as well as I understand it from Bush Jr.

Of course you are not worried about the future of BB. You just want us to understand that what ever decision is best for You, is also best for everyone.

That's why I also think this BB will be, at the end, the "international" league between USA and Italy.

Egoistic thinking is NOT always a virtue!


I despise stereotyping and ignorance from foreigners just as much as I do from fellow Americans. Maybe you also know of Dick Cheney, and though he's far from my favorite person, he has a quote that I love to borrow for this moment.


edit: No profanity, please. Thanks.

Last edited by GM-kozlodoev at 8/3/2008 12:44:29 PM

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Date: 8/3/2008 12:49:44 PM
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Ok, sorry!

May I still ask one thing? Those teams which upgrades their league after this season will not get any benefits? Instead they will be penalized more next season than they would have, being played in their previous, lower league. Is this correct?

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Date: 8/3/2008 12:57:33 PM
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I am not suggesting different rules for different countries, since this is not necessary at all. Just implement the tax as maintenance per seat. This way you give the chance of small teams to catch up without taxing them for excess income they don't have. This way you're really taxing the source of the income and not taxing teams simply for being in a higher division.
This would have been a much better solution, and I would guess that BB* would agree on that too. However, this solution requires that you act in good time giving people time to adjust, as you will directly single out one group of managers and punnish them for playing the game according to the rules. Naturally they would be very upset with this kind of solution and it would prbably create a great controvercy.

Thus, even if your suggested solution is better on paper, I think it would create too much controvercy and therefore they had to choose another solution.

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Date: 8/3/2008 1:15:25 PM
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Thus, even if your suggested solution is better on paper, I think it would create too much controvercy and therefore they had to choose another solution.


It's def a good suggestion though, potentially better alternative to their current plan. Maybe it's something the BB's haven't considered. They have made announcements for changes in the past and then after further thinking not implemented them (GS drops for transferred players, for example).

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Date: 8/3/2008 1:23:33 PM
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Thus, even if your suggested solution is better on paper, I think it would create too much controvercy and therefore they had to choose another solution.


It's def a good suggestion though, potentially better alternative to their current plan. Maybe it's something the BB's haven't considered. They have made announcements for changes in the past and then after further thinking not implemented them (GS drops for transferred players, for example).


Yes, I also agree that it is a better solution. But, it is to "apply in a rush". They could possibly make some kind of plan to gradual switch from the current panic solution to kozlodoevs solution(TM) and present this as their longterm plan.

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