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Date: 5/2/2015 11:00:35 AM
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Silly computer does that sometimes. 3 post is a bit much usually when it happens it is only 2 times.

Well as nominations have closed it would be silly for me to pull out. I would be mroe then happy for other aussies and other people to run and would be happy if someone else got the job. In fact if they were better suited in my eyes I would vote for them myself. Even if sparky was an aussie I do not see anything to make me think he would do a better job then me. His comment about only have one SF shows a bit of a lack of understanding. Some of the best SFs are listed at other positions. In fact the one SF on the roster would be the 3rd string SF.

Why do I need to prove the aussie community is strong? If the option was someone with no experiance as an aussie and someone from elsewhere who was an obvious good manager I could see someone from elsehwere winning it. But the fact remains someone who knows what they are doing always steps up. I know of a couple of very good local managers who would of put their hand up if no one else did.

I did step down from 21NT after 4 seasons as I knew whitewind would do a good job and had helped a lot and deserved a chance. Well he more then shown that to be true.

People will vote as they see fit. If I was not running It would have to be a unknown local running for me to vote for sparky. But I guess we will find out before long. If he is keen to be a part of what we do here he should get involved and show people what he can bring. To come from outside and win someone would need to show without doubt they are a better option.

To be honest I wish someone else had run. The more people the more debate about things.

Like all smaller nations competing with the big guns is always hard. But we have won Asia in 21NT and I believe with the new lot of players coming through we could win it in the NT. But beating China will take a lot of people to help build the team and that is imo the biggest role of the NT Manager is to engage the wider community in the goal.

I wish the team had some different options in SFs. Those we have similar skill sets and it limits the way the side can play a bit. It's not just about haveing 300k monsters but a group of players with different skills in good gameshape to select a team which can fulfill the game plan for any given day.

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I sold everyone BTW.
My 26 year old SF Grenouilleau is a beast with 123/115 skills.
I have made my 27 year old PF Valery into a beast with 122/111 skills.
They both have great defense and good offense.
I also trained Matthew Ferguson.
I am currently tanking my league.

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17	12	17	9	14	10	17	17	10	7


Would be my perfect SF build. For 130 skillls


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By speaking to Australia's people about turning MVP+ into NT Players and Superstars/MVP's into Small Forwards.

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too much JR and not enough passing, handling IMO

17 9
18 12
15 12
16 16
10 4

And then can lower IS to boost JS or the other way round depending on how he will be used.

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Not enough SB to have great defense. Too much handling/not enough JR

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Date: 5/2/2015 7:11:38 PM
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I applaud your efforts in coming in and running for this position, well done. It takes balls to throw your name in the ring of a different country and try and win them over.

I don't think debating over the ideal SF is a worthwhile activity to be honest. Everyone is going to be personalised, and the context of offense range hasnt been set. Your SF will work great in a variety of offenses, and enable run and gun to work well, and better inside, i like it. It shows you know what you are talking about and have considered a "one stop shop" SF for all offenses.

As an NT coach, it is quite often choosing an offense and strategy that will suit the players skills given to you. At my u21 level, the players are young and you can work with a players skill development as you may see 12-15 pops a season still. Our NT players are popping a few times a season each? They have already trained the skills. Id rather see a healthy debate that demonstrates working with a set of players skills to use an offense that will attack the opponents weakness. So i think we are getting a little sidetracked...

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Date: 5/2/2015 7:47:13 PM
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This is very true. Hece there is no best SF build imo. It would be ideal to have a few different builds to use in different offence or to counter other players. For me OD/ID and passing are vital to have an effective team in being able to play various offences. Also driving is often overlooked.

Our current roster has options on how the team can play. Being able to mix it up if important in regrds to GDP. I would like our bigs to have some more outside shotting and our SF to have more rebounding.

The difficult thing for someone from OS is a lack of knowledge of our current roster and developing players. The developing players are a more long term thing that it is the players at 22 or 23 which are able to be altered to meet needs and a long term plan for them ensures the side in strong long after the current term.

Having as you know running the 21 NT here for 4 seasons and then the Nippon side for 2 has given me an understanding of how to play NT games. The 2 sides are at different levels. Was able to use some very interesting builds for Nippon to win vs much stronger teams.

Teams need to be able to win with different game plans. Even mixing it up vs weaker sides will not trick the strong sides as its the vital games people tend to go to their bread and butter. If the side has one strong winning offence GDP will be your downfall. For me its one of if not the most important tool in a managers box.

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Also driving is often overlooked.

I agree. Driving on Forwards is extremely important and
unless you are a beast in everything else than you should have decent drive to make this team.

Having as you know running the 21 NT here for 4 seasons and then the Nippon side for 2 has given me an understanding of how to play NT games.


I know how to also.



To my opponent or opponents, (if other people are running because I don't know if other people are) what offenses do you think are the most efficient? I will answer after.



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Date: 5/2/2015 10:57:04 PM
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1on1 does train driving quicker then handling. And often players start with higher driving.
The question was a build if you can spend points however you like.


As for offence. There is on obvious offence atm. The game has altered to make it not so dominate and is heading towards that. As for which ones are effective it all comes down to what players you have in the team. No use trying motion unless you decent passing on every player. No use doing RnG unless you have very good shotters in most positions. Can go on.

Some of them just plan suck.

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