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and why not buy a 18 yr old player with mediocre-average in all skills and train him up? they dont cost alot, i am sure you could have afforded that. probably not more than 500k. yes he would have same inside stats as your guy has now at 21 and not at 20, BUT when he is finished you will make a lot more on your player with same inside skill set as this guy can achieve because he has nice secondaries... I have posted an example below.

and i am curious to see if someone will pay 1.6million for him. i truly hope someone will so you can investe the money in a super english trainee and train him

sold most players on my team so i can give my player thom 1 position training...

why do people always feel attacked.

i praised you for doing a great job on training your player. Mikramus did understand exactly what i was trying to say. Ideally we want players with more balanced skill sets for the NT, this doesnt mean that your player would stand no chance. Austin plays for the NT too until we have decend players. However, not for long, because his coach manages his GS in a terrible fashion...

i did look on the TL and noticed that 18 yr old players, similar to what I was talking about, go for insane amounts off money. so i cant show you an example for what i mean, because there is almost noone for sale for below 500k.

the TL is totally insane.

why do people always feel attacked.

When I read you're first post, it sounded condescending. Why make a comment about how poor his secondaries are? Do you know how much money he had to spare when buying this trainee? No. If he had $2m saved up then i'm sure he'd have bought a super trainee with perfect skills everywhere, but clearly he didn't have that money and bought what he could and has done an amazing job training him, I have only seen a couple of 20 year old with similar inside skills as that!

What would you rather have playing for U21 astragoth?

Jump Shot: pitiful Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: atrocious
Driving: inept Passing: atrocious
Inside Shot: tremendous Inside Def.: wondrous ↑
Rebounding: sensational Shot Blocking: strong
Stamina: inept Free Throw: inept

or

Jump Shot: pitiful Jump Range: average
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: mediocre
Driving: inept Passing: mediocre
Inside Shot: prominent Inside Def: prominent
Rebounding:prolific Shot Blocking: strong
Stamina: inept Free Throw: inept

Both have exactly the same number of skills, just with secondaries that are acceptable... Would you play a C with 10,10,11 big man skills for U21? no, didnt think so...

this is what i mean

yes i criticised the player and? I also praised the player.

why do you and he both read it as condescending and why do not all read it as condescending.

the saying in english is, a glass is half full or half empty. the point is not so much how i write it but the point that i am trying to get across. I never mention a 2 million player. I never mentioned a 1 million player.

a trainee starting like this

18 yr old, tall enough for big training and superstar or better potential

mediocre JS mediocre JR
average OD mediocre HN
medicore DV inept PS
inept IS inept ID
inept RB inept SB

doesnt cost alot. You need to look for him/her. but he wont cost a million, i doubt he will cost 500k

Yes he will not look like his player the way he is at 20, because his inside stats are probably lower than the player he trained, but he will be at 21 at that level, that means when he is finished, he will be finished one year later than this player. but i can guarantee you that he will fetch more money than the player with 2 times atrocious skills. more importantly he will have a better chance to make it into the NT if he wants to keep this player.

I don't see what's so difficult to understand here. All Astro said was that it isn't worth buying a trainee with such bad secondaries (if you plan to train him to train him for the NT), because he has next to no chance of making the NT, there's nothing more too it. At U21 level, secondaries are less noticeable, but at full NT level, it's vital to have competent secondary skills.

It's not a criticism in the guys training of the player, just the choice in trainee.

Last edited by CriticalHippo at 11/29/2011 11:27:10 AM

no offence ment to the trainer off this player.

his inside skills have been perfectly trained for his age

, but look at the secondaries. isnt it possible to buy a 18 yr old one with inept or mediocre in secondaries instead and train him?

this is such a waist for both the owner and the NT...

i apologise in advance in case my english sends condescending, secondly i praise his player and the training he has done and thirdly i never talked about the player not being good enough for the U21, I am talking from the NT perspective.


Please tell me how I could have worded this differently so that for you three this would have been more understandable??? I seriously dont know how else I could have worded my message to try and solve the problem we have in the NT, and that is that we have too many unfinished, unbalanced players...

If nobody bought a trainee like this, and everyone bought a trainee with good secondaries, the price of the player with good secondaries wouldnt br worth paying! He'd simply cost too much!
And as for the player Astra put up; Surely he is a guard trainee not a big man? But i suppose its all down to height, and a player like that will almost certainly not be tall enough to consider training him..

nope

that was why I was talking about the NT as National Team coach.

Secondly it is nice to train players for the U21 and have them used in the U21 for 1 season and than never be used for the NT. But is this the way forward for the NT?

How about something along the lines of:
This is a great English prospect, that has been trained beautifully in inside skills. However - if you want this player to make the NT level, he will need some HA and PA training.
That would sound better.

Im sure you didnt mean it in a nasty way - but when a person trains a player as his 1st priority for 2 and a bit seasons, its not very nice for someone just to say that he is 'such a waste'