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@coachlambini

It took me about 2 years to get to Iran's top division, so i think that I've paid my dues. The notion that it is easier to build high quality teams in smaller nations is just not true. At least not in Iran. New teams still have to work their way up, build up their arenas, lay foundations, and get their finances right to be able to compete at a high level nationally, let alone internationally!!! All this takes a lot of time no matter which country you play in. What I mean that laying the foundations for a quality team is expensive and time-consuming no matter where you play. It took me around 10 season to get to my countries top division, and if you check the team history of Yourkville BC which plays in USA's top division currently, it took him/her 11 seasons ! You can take a look at different teams at different leagues all over the world. A number of factors weigh in, but each team's progress has mostly to do with the manager and his/her capabilities. For example we have a first time top division team (just like Yourkville BC in the USA) this season in Iran, who has been playing for 13 seasons. I think you can see my point here.


@Trainerman

Your argument is completely irrational !!!! How is us accepting a DIII as our top league fair ? I mean you're saying that teams in small nations have an unfair advantage. Let's say for the sake of the discussion that this is true. So by you're logic, if it's easy for a new team in Iran ( a country with 56 users) to build a high quality team, then it would be much much easier for a same new team to do so in Ecuador or Nigeria or South Korea (respectively with 5, 8, and 3 users). Then how come we have no B3 champions from these so called "small nations" who have "an unfair advantage" ??? 29 times the B3 has been held and during this time, the champion has almost always been from a country with high number of users. The only exceptions are season 10 champion from Japan, season 20 champion from Moldova, and season 16, 24, and 27 champions from Iran. The rest has always been from a country with high number of users which according to you are at a disadvantage compared to the "small nations"!! Or for example let's take a look at Scotland with 14 users. Why is it that the best they have achieved is a B3 semifinalist in season 24 during the history of B3 competitions? I'm telling you this, just to make you realize how ridiculous your argument is. KK Mordor was clearly at a disadvantage when he 3peated from season 30 to 32 in B3 (Who is by the way from Srbija with 480 users). How about the team Dionysus which was clearly affected by the market and staff being dominated by users from small nations as he won the B3 3 times (from china which currently has around 700 users) !! LOL

Give it a rest man. OK ?

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@Knecht

You're exactly spot on with the point about cultural differences and the matchmaking of these mergings !!

Micro doesn't work. Period. I'm open if someone has a genuine idea to make it work but HOW?? The point is we are stuck playing the same 10 or 12 guys forever. Its NEVER going to be balanced with climbing the latter amongst hundreds or thousands of competitors.

And that sums it up pretty much perfectly. Playing the same 10-12 guys for a few seasons while the ones who do best move up to new challenges and the ones who can't measure up at that time move down is great. Playing the same guys for a few seasons and having no movement whatsoever because if you go 22-0 and win the title or 0-22, you're still in the same league against the same guys is really unappealing. I know I don't have a great answer outside of a hard reset of the game, so hopefully brighter minds than mine prevail on that.

OK man you're stepping over the line!! I'm not trying to fool anybody !!!!!!!!!! I'm just simply stating what I think is true.

I didn't say anywhere in my previous posts that the macros have an advantage !! You argued that small nations have an unfair advantage, I stated that this is not true and I gave statistics from b3 history.

This is the history of B3 champions :

Italy : 1 champion - Currently has around 1850 users
Spain : 2 champions - Currently has around 1750 users
Polska : 1 champion - Currently has around 1250 users
China : 5 champions - Currently has around 700 users
Turkey : 1 champion - Currently has around 600 users
Germany : 1 champion - Currently has around 575 users
Serbia : 4 champions - Currently has around 500 users
Argentina : 1 champion - Currently has around 450 users
Latvija : 2 champions - Currently has around 300 users
Slovenia : 1 champion - Currently has around 225 users
Czech Republic : 1 champion - Currently has around 200 users
Canada : 4 champions - Currently has around 200 users
Iran : 3 champions Currently has around 50 users
Japan : 1 champion - Currently has around 25 users
Moldova : 1 champion - Currently has around 8 users

If you count all of them, it adds up to 29 B3 contests as I stated before. Now what is the limit for macros ? I mean how many users ? Buzzerbeater has 99 flags (including Utopia I think), Canada with around 200 users is the 30th in terms of user number. So if you do a simple math, you see that 24 times out of 29, the B3 champion has been from the upper third of the BB in terms of user count.

24/29 = 82.7 %

This means that approximately 8 times out of ten, the champion has been from the upper third of BB in terms of user number (The upper 1/3 in terms of population and user count)

Let's say that nations with around 500 users or more are macros, that way we have to count the champions from Serbia and the countries above in terms of user number, we see that 15 times the champion has been from a country with around 500 users or more. Let's do a quick math :

15/29 = 51.7 %

This means that on average, 1 time each 2 seasons, the champion has been from a country which is in the top 12 (if we don't count Utopia) in terms of user count.

Let's just take into account the top 10 countries in terms of user count, then we would have :

11/29 = 37.9 %

If we round it up to 40, this means that approximately 4 times out of 10, the B3 champion has been from a country which is in the top 10 in terms of user count.

Like I said above, almost 82 percent of the B3 champions are from the upper third of the BB in terms of the user count, Which leaves Iran, Japan, and Moldova as the only countries which are in the bottom two third of the BB in terms of user count :

5/29 = 17.2 %

Iran and Japan are in the middle third of the BB in terms of user count, and that leaves Moldova as the only country in the bottom third of BB to have ever won a B3 :

1/29 = 3.4 %

Now considering the above calculations, let's say that 100 B3 competitions have been held, by the math above we would have :

Almost 83 times out of 100, the champion would be from a country which is in the top third of BB in terms of user count. This mean that the country would have about 200 users or more

Almost 52 times out of 100, the champion would be from a country which is in the top 12 in terms of user count. This means that the country would have about 500 users or more

Almost 38 times out of 100, the champion would be from a country which is in the top 10 in terms of user count. This would mean that the country would have about 600 users or more

Approximately 17 times out of 100, the champion would be from a country which is in the bottom two third of BB in terms of user count.

Only 3 times out of 100, the champion would be from a country which is in the bottom third of BB in terms of user count. By current statistics, this would mean that the country would

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Considering the numbers above, I think you can see my point. While managers can build high quality teams in every country, the statistics support my point of view saying that micro nations are NOT at an advantage compared to nations with more users.

You say that Iran odds of having a former B3 champions are very low, that is true. The statistics that I provided you clearly rejects the nation of imbalance. I think Iran having 3 championships in B3 just shows how amazing the managers are in here. And believe me when I say that there is still more B3 champions to come from Iran, so you can cry out imbalance and free B3 tickets all you want to, but you can't accept the fact that some managers are just too good. You claim that you want competition and you said that you had trained the best SF in the world, while you had the best SF in BB on your team, playing in Japan which according to you is at an advantage compared to other bigger nations, how come you got nowhere in B3 competitions ? Didn't you have a free B3 ticket playing bots ( according to your saying) ???

You make 3 million this season playing bots, good for you!! But don't go around accusing others of fooling other people when you have no idea what is going on in their leagues and teams.

One of Irans B3 titles was bought though.

He took advantage of the market and sold players at the best time possible, then used that money to build a strong team and went on to win the B3. I think this just shows how smart he is and how skilled he is as a manager. Not everybody can pull of something like that.

By the way, what happened to the message above? What was the content that led to its deletion ?

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