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I believe there was a long forum debate when these changes were announced, concluding that in sum this is a relative financial redistribution from the top to the bottom within each league; rwystyrk's numbers confirm this in an anecdotal way. This could have a small positive impact by keeping leagues more competitive in the long run. High-ranking teams have the glory of a good season finish and more training slots to compensate for poorer short-term finances.

Finishing on a high rank doesn't mean a poor short-term finance. You could associate his high rank due to a good training plan and a good strategy on the finances.

This change it spoils the comptetition. Why u want to finish 2-3-4th if it's worst than finishing 5th.

Managers will loose interest on trying to be on the higher rank, they will fight for the cup.


Another thing, you imagine a finalist of the cup and ending 5th on the competition, if he dindt have a local game on saturday, he can go divine trick and win the cup with any negative consequence, that would be a LOL.

That change also favours a divine trick to win a CUP if you manage to be on the final and finish on 5th position if oyu have the last game of the season away(and a top team can do that)

Last edited by Marot at 4/4/2011 9:45:04 AM

The team which ended 7th wrote on our league forum he didn't pay salaries this morning. Can some other team involved in relegation series confirm it?
Edit: It has changed since the morning.

Last edited by rwystyrk at 4/4/2011 9:57:49 AM

I'm sorry, I asked the team I mentioned before and now he has salaries paid even if at the morning he didn't. So I have to recalculate my number for 6th and 7th.

Yes, I was kidding. I can't see any interesting when someone try to lose some match instead of winning.

players have agreed to only take a salary during weeks when their teams play at least one competitive league game.
So I don't expect that team in cup final but out of league games will pay the salaries.

Yes, I was kidding. I can't see any interesting when someone try to lose some match instead of winning.

This system is not perfect. Look at my PLK league. According to the profit (economic) in PO/relegation games I preferred my team to take 5,6,3 or 4 place after a regular season. Only in that order so The 5 was the best and 4 was the worst ;] In last few games of the reg season I try to hit my team to 5th place but finally I lost 8 small points to the current 5th team of my league ;] I am going to win the relegation games by 2-0 in case not to pay a salary to the players in next weak. I think during this weak my team would get profit about 100k instead 250k if i was on 5th place but better that -300k for the 4th team that would lose in first round PO game.
It shows that this system is wrong and should be changed again but still better then the old one...

I think of all discussions at both salary systems old and new which rank is more profitable than the others. I think it could be designed so that higher rank is always more profitable.
My suggestion for system which could work starting from next season playoff:
1) no team will pay salaries during the last 2 weeks of the season (as it's designed for 5th and 8th at the moment)
2) no attendance money for playoff and relegation games
3) prize money (similar for system in B3 and cup games) for winning quarterfinal, semifinal, final (just for winning title not for every win in final series), the only question is, how high it should be and if it should different for different league levels (in my eyes it should be dependent in league level)
4) no prize money for winning relegation series
5) another reduction of TV money to compansate less expenses for salaries

6) eventually some small prize money should be for final rank in regular season, so that it make difference between 3rd and 4th, 5th and 6th (as 6th has one training game more than 5th)

Edit (after CrazyEye point)
7) transfer deadline for playoff should be 2 weeks earling than it's now

point by point
1)I absolutely don't agree,top teams would earn money for 14 weeks(incomes for playoffs game would however remain in some way,as attendance income or prize for advancing to the various rounds)but would have expenses for 12 weeks and the gap with the other teams will enlarge every season
2,3 & 4)prize money instead of attendance incomes could be a good idea(especially for 3rd and 4th placed team that actually have low incomes also if they upset in the first round the 1st or 2nd placed team because they play also the semifinals away) but there should be money for winning relegation series,because this would help these teams to stay in the league in the next season and prize money should depend on league division and level of the divisionl(a III division in a big country requires an higher expense for salary than a III division in small country,so the prize should be equally higher).
P.S. Also teams that lose relegation series in 3 games should have some incomes because they win at least one game
5) It would not depend from playoff situation,but from general economic situations of the teams all over the world
EDITED(I didn't read well your point 5 in a first moment,so I initially wrote a bad response ;D )
6)I don't like the idea of money for rank in regular season(it enlarges the gap more again),I would like more a little income for teams that would not have incomes during post season(teams that lose in first round of playoffs,teams that lose relegation series in 2 games and 5th/8th teams,scrimmage with incomes would be ok)
7)NO

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 4/5/2011 3:19:29 PM

It was meant as complete suggestion, no indenpendent points. If it was done as you suggested it would totally destroy complexity of the suggestion.