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With 8000k you can turn your team into a contender like right now. Spending that money would not only make you competitive, but close to promotion.

I'd say try to stick it out. It's certainly too early to pack it in if you've been remotely competitive.

I started one season 0-5 but still ended up with the best record in the conference. Often you can be just missing that one critical piece to turn those 5 point losses into 5 point wins.

You have been given some excellent strategic advice about making and sticking to long term plans and avoiding mediocrity.

Off this topic but related to another post of your about Harlen(?) where you said it was peaceful and low crime because everyone has guns.

I stayed in a youth hostel in China once and was sharing a room with two USA students. I said I did not konw a single person who owned a gun, they said they didn't know a single person who didn't have a gun. I said I have never known of anyone ever, friend, relative, friend of an uncles friend's neighbour that had been shot. They said they knew many close friends and relatives that had been, some sadly fatally. You said you don't need to lock your doors. My old Ford Falcon had a broken lock so I didn't lock it for three years until the police finally took it off the road for good. My old house was never locked. Often the front door was completly open with no-one home (I admit I didn't like that because it was often full of flies). When I ride my bike to the local shops I just lean it against the wall. No guns, no problems.

Last edited by yodabig at 2/23/2012 12:41:10 AM

I started one season 0-5 but still ended up with the best record in the conference. Often you can be just missing that one critical piece to turn those 5 point losses into 5 point wins.

You have been given some excellent strategic advice about making and sticking to long term plans and avoiding mediocrity.

Off this topic but related to another post of your about Harlen(?) where you said it was peaceful and low crime because everyone has guns.

I stayed in a youth hostel in China once and was sharing a room with two USA students. I said I did not konw a single person who owned a gun, they said they didn't know a single person who didn't have a gun. I said I have never known of anyone ever, friend, relative, friend of an uncles friend's neighbour that had been shot. They said they knew many close friends and relatives that had been, some sadly fatally. You said you don't need to lock your doors. My old Ford Falcon had a broken lock so I didn't lock it for three years until the police finally took it off the road for good. My old house was never locked. Often the front door was completly open with no-one home (I admit I didn't like that because it was often full of flies). When I ride my bike to the local shops I just lean it against the wall. No guns, no problems.

Good info.

Yea, I have to admit, I don't know anyone who does not own a gun. In fact, most own a few guns.

I promise you this, I've slept for years with a gun under one pillow of my bed, me using the other pillow. If I wake up and an intruder is in my room, well, you know how that story is likely to end. Shoot first, ask questions later. You know the saying, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six."

Most don't need guns around here, but they have them just in case.

The main problem is, we have a major drug epidemic in the USA. If someone from the US tells you they live in a town without a major drug problem, they're either lying, or on drugs themselves. Drugs have taken control of people's lives here and because of that, they break into homes and steal to be able to afford drugs. When they break into the home and someone is home, they will often kill the home owner so they cannot tell and send them to prison. So it pays to have a gun to protect your family.

Thanks for the info. I'm currently 0-4 in my league and planning to buy some better players off the TL before my next league game. I put my three aging vets on the TL because they simple are not good enough for this level, and am planning to spend nearly $1M on three better replacements before my next league game. But I've lost hope of being able to finish any higher than 5th in my league. The teams are just too good to catch up to after being behind by 4 games.

I had same dilemma last year. I sold few players, and decided to play relegation games. I lost 6-7 games in a row, saved enthusiasm and was ready for final games. I had excellent GS, great enthusiasm and what happened? I lost! From a team that had a bit higher salaries, but awful GS. Sadly, I have to play in Div 2, where I have no competition. I had no luck :) Why i told you this? 1. I think your team has the quality to stay in 4th Div, but you have a problem with GS. Fix it, its not so hard (the easiest way - Your player can play whole game plus one game as sub) 2. Play take it easy against 4 best teams, and try to win 5-6 games against teams with worse players than you have (I see 3 teams that you can beat- easy 4 wins). SAve your enthusiasm, read carefully forum threads, there are some that can help :) So final advice : Try to stay in D4! I hope I wasnt boring. Good luck!

I had a quick look at your team and your situation.

Your cup run is over, the Jack Rabbits will destroy you, I would advise not even trying, send in some scrubs and a trainee, play TIE and get ready for the next league game.

Your team:

You have been told how key GS is so from next week you need to be very careful about it. Good options include:
Starting two games with decent backups.
Playing 48+ one game and backup in another.
STarting one game and playing backup in two.
Being the reserve in three games in a week (but can be a bit low if the quality gap is large)

Your stars should never be playing three games a week unless two are as backup.

Your players:
Aren't impressive.
Nicola Chillemi (5792377) is horrible in every way glad you are selling him.
Raphaël Tison (2566359) is very bad.
Dennis Magee (10588768) is ok but has the deadly flaw he shares with the other two of being a disgusting passer.

Of your players of salaries $10,000 or more (then there is a massive gap to $5,824) you have two centers, three small forwards and a power forward. Doesn't look very balanced with not one good guard.

It looks like Noe Jarvis (22361315) ia your PG is that right?

I had a quick look at your team and your situation.

Your cup run is over, the Jack Rabbits will destroy you, I would advise not even trying, send in some scrubs and a trainee, play TIE and get ready for the next league game.

Your team:

You have been told how key GS is so from next week you need to be very careful about it. Good options include:
Starting two games with decent backups.
Playing 48+ one game and backup in another.
STarting one game and playing backup in two.
Being the reserve in three games in a week (but can be a bit low if the quality gap is large)

Your stars should never be playing three games a week unless two are as backup.

Your players:
Aren't impressive.
Nicola Chillemi (5792377) is horrible in every way glad you are selling him.
Raphaël Tison (2566359) is very bad.
Dennis Magee (10588768) is ok but has the deadly flaw he shares with the other two of being a disgusting passer.

Of your players of salaries $10,000 or more (then there is a massive gap to $5,824) you have two centers, three small forwards and a power forward. Doesn't look very balanced with not one good guard.

It looks like Noe Jarvis (22361315) ia your PG is that right?

Yes, I hurt my GS in the first two weeks of this season by trying to win league games as well as cup games. Now that my cup run is over I will be able to control my minutes and GS pretty well. If you look at my history, my GS was awesome last year and I never played my good players three games in a week. This year I felt the need to do it because I was trying to win a game.

Needless to say, D4 was a rude awakening for me. I scouted some D4 leagues before I moved up, and I thought some of my guys would be good enough to win some D4 games. But then I land in a pretty tough D4 league and find out that guys I have who dominated at D5 and one that even won the D5 MVP, are bench players in the league I am in now.

I think most of what you said is right on. I've come to realize that, because my team dominated at D5, I thought it was better than it really was, and that's why I'm in the position I'm in in D4 today.

Tunc E. is a good guard for my team. I think he is listed as a SF though. But his ID is not good, so he has been training as a G for me. He's 21 years old and with the pops he's received this season, his salary should now be over $20K.

And yes, Noe Jarvis is my PG. Noe is the last player left from the team of scrubs I got when I took the team over. Noe got 13 pops last season and is now a 20 year old who has received two pops this season. So I'm still trying to train him up to being something usuable at the D4 and D3 levels.

I've made some mistakes on the way to where I am now, that's for sure. To be honest, some bad advice from others mixed with some unknowledgable moves by me has hed my team back this season.

Thanks for your advice. It is appreciated. Now that I do not have to worry about winning cup games, my GS and enthuisium will be much better in the future. Check back in a couple weeks and you'll see a major difference.

I've had a quick look at your league.
Your arena is good already, and with the promotion boost you get great attendances. Probably you make more money than anyone else in your conference.
I don't know about your roster because you're up to rebuilding it, but you sure can buy two or three balanced players that will make it just right.

Now that you will have a close look at your enthousiasm and shape, I'm positive you will make it to the 5th place and get rich at the end the season.


PS : I've noticed that you relied on French players, which no REAL Hillbilly would ever do ! :-)

I just caught this thread now but with the new rules in place, I think you're always better off to try and stay in your current league than go back a level.

You have a floor salary so you're not going to gain a whole lot by tanking (you'll lose tons of arena revenue if you do that too) and then you'll make even less arena $$$ in a lower division next season. Plus there's always the fear that you run into strong teams in that lower league and are stuck there for more than one season.

As others have said, your team looks like it belongs in D4. Focus on staying there by being smart. Focus on making money, managing gameshape, enthusiasm and winning the games you can win instead of trying to win every game. If that means playing TIE and benching your starters against teams you aren't going to beat losing by 60 instead of 20 in the process, than that's the smart thing to do. If that means saving your cash and buying a new player at the end of the season (instead of paying his salary for the entire season) in order to make sure you win your relegation series, than that's what you do.

Last edited by Beener not Beanerz at 2/24/2012 7:06:11 PM

You've gotten some good advice already, but here are my 2 cents.

1. Don't think that doing well in DV means anything. DV can be won with scrubs if you just manage enthusiasm. I suspect that at least half of DIV teams don't manage enthusiasm so it should be easy to stay in this league. Early in the season, you can always lose a couple of games if you play TIE since your enthusiasm is reset to 5. Also, I think it can be easy to win DIV if you get one stellar defensive guard, and 2 old inside men (at least 12 IS, and 12 ID) and play LI. DIII seems to be where the significant competition begins (at least in the US).

2. Training seems overrated to me (as compared to just using the TL). Practically speaking, it is impossible to 2 position train in DIII and above unless your trainees are quite advanced already. And, even 1 position training will be difficult to win games unless your trainees are again quite advanced already. So, it seems to me that you have to sell and rebuild your team at every level. I now believe that you'd be better off buying pretrained 20-23 year olds and just finish their training if you want to be competitive at higher levels. Perhaps with cross training, it would be even better to just train FT and not bother with trainees and keep all that extra trainer salary to buy players?

3. Arena expansion is necessary long term, but the ROI per unit is very small since you can just raise prices on your existing seats, and added seats reduces the price that fans will pay for those units.

Anyway, stay in league DIV and try to get into DIII. DV is boring as heck and most DIV leagues don't even have any activity on their forums.

Good advice here from Beener. You need to probably win half your games to end up 5th and be totally safe. Look at who your rivals are and who you are playing each week and who they are playing. Especially while the cup is on you can steal a couple of games easily that can be MASSIVE at the end of the season.

I know a USA team that won division V by having three trainees and just buying $1k scrubs in good GS each week and firing them sunday night. It is that easy.

Making money is also critical. If you find yourself in 6th or 7th at the end of the season you can "rent" some power players to win you the series, but it is better to not have to do it.

I totally disagree with whoever said you can't do training in higher level leagues. I think it is critical but in your situation you will need one experienced and established player in at least one game per week - the one you plan to win.