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From: brian

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Date: 5/8/2012 11:39:27 AM
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It would be less of a problem if there was more control with rotations.

LCD plays starters too much and isnt ideal for training. SFDC is my pref setting for min and training purposes, but it's rigid and if an injury occurs you're in trouble. There is no easy fix for this as its the reality of a game in which all the planning is done pre-game without any ability to make adjustments after tip-off.

It's hard enough to control substititions which drive results, game shape, and training. Also consider how awful injuries are in real life. Doctors have been able to reduce and improve the length and severity of injuries. What if in real life they could be greatly reduced to the point where they avoid deciding championships and careers, wouldn't that be amazing?

Basically, removing injuries would cut out one layer of complexity/randomness, but that can be or already is compensated by aspects of BB that are, on paper, more complex and difficult to control compared to real life. Plus, its one of the worst realities of real life sports.

Last edited by brian at 5/8/2012 11:42:53 AM

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From: Tangosz

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...It's hard enough to control substititions which drive results, game shape, and training. Also consider how awful injuries are in real life. Doctors have been able to reduce and improve the length and severity of injuries. What if in real life they could be greatly reduced to the point where they avoid deciding championships and careers, wouldn't that be amazing?


Frankly, I don't think it'd necessarily be amazing. Even in real life the prospect of a random injury gives teams an added layer of strategic thinking to prepare for things. And I say this as a New England Patriot fan, who were screwed over by Bernard Pollard twice. What if Brady hadn't gotten hurt in 2008? What if Gronkowski hadn't been injured for the Superbowl? Who knows, unanswerable questions. Though at least in the Brady injury, you could see that the Patriots planning benefited them, as they went 11-5 with Matt Cassell. There are endless examples of this in real sports, and it makes for great drama and great debates!

That being said, some greater flexibility of rotations would be awesome. Especially a choice to completely change the lineup and substitution pattern when an injury occurs.

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Date: 5/8/2012 12:44:17 PM
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LCD plays starters too much and isnt ideal for training. SFDC is my pref setting for min and training purposes, but it's rigid and if an injury occurs you're in trouble.
I totaly agree.
Currently, it does NOT function as intended.

One would expect (and as described) the following:
1) SFDC - In case there are subs, it will go upon the DC. The minutes will be upon DC as well.

2) LCD - The coach can do anything he thinks and decides. BUT, it is expected to be logic...
To give a player who is best as C to play his worse position (PG), and not due to the fact that the other alternatives are worse, is an algorithm bug as well.

3) FDC - The minutes and subs will be upon DC, but the coach has some say about that.
It means, that he can play by SOME DEGREE with that, and not to throw all tactic into the garbage when the game begins (which is exactly what currently happens and should NOT happen).

4) FDD from 4th Q - An expected combination between (3) and (2).

Currently there is only real one option to choose - (1).
All the others are just misleading, and causing lots of unexpected trouble to those who do uses them.
One can at least expect that they will be blocked...

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Date: 5/8/2012 12:55:45 PM
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As I said, I definitely agree that substitution patterns currently are very idiosyncratic, and could certainly be better described, and hopefully changed at some point. But that's a completely different topic than the Injuries discussion in this thread.

From: Kukoc
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Date: 5/8/2012 1:59:44 PM
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Imo currently it's simple. Don't care about minutes and want to win whatever it takes → LCD. Want some predictability in minutes and get your weak trainees in for minutes SFDC.
Yes injuries do screw up minutes, but that's why you have a 12 player roster set up for games. Too many or too early fouls might also screw up minutes, let's eliminate fouls in game aswell?

From: brian

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There are endless examples of this in real sports, and it makes for great drama and great debates!


I can see some silver-lining examples of drama created by injury, but would much prefer to see healthy fully available teams and superstars battle it out.

The eastern conference playoffs would be much more interesting if rose, noah, howard, josh smith, jeremy lin, amare (im sure im missing others) were 100% healthy. No doubt that will be reflected in TV ratings as well.

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From: Tangosz

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Sadly, I don't think anything would make the NBA playoffs more exciting, or exciting at all. :)

From: brian

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Date: 5/8/2012 2:12:09 PM
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let's eliminate fouls in game aswell?


Nice strawman. Thats not what I suggested.

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Date: 5/8/2012 2:20:07 PM
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Imo currently it's simple. Don't care about minutes and want to win whatever it takes → LCD. Want some predictability in minutes and get your weak trainees in for minutes SFDC.
Yes injuries do screw up minutes, but that's why you have a 12 player roster set up for games. Too many or too early fouls might also screw up minutes, let's eliminate fouls in game aswell?
Except that we continue to discuss off topic here, this is not an excuse for a feature not functioning.
It should be fixed, removed or at least having an explanation for what it actually does...

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 5/8/2012 2:20:46 PM
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but it goes into the same direction, if rose can't get injured to don't ruin minutes and let the superstars battle it out . Foul trouble leads to the same.

And having a deep bench helps a bit, to injurys at the same position are crap like in your case but it isnÄt like too injured player are close to common. maybe that one problem, but i would either raise then then eleminate then.

From: brian

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Date: 5/8/2012 2:27:14 PM
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Similar but different, particularly as some players are more prone to fouls and if you investigate that as a buyer then you assume the risk. Fouls effect every game. Injuries might only happen once every 10 games, or, suddenly twice in a game 3 of the finals.

Again, that's not what im suggesting and effects the game in a much different, more fundamental way.

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