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From: Tangosz

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Date: 9/19/2012 9:00:33 AM
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I object to your characterization of our discussion as absurd. I found it interesting and illuminating.

I agree with your analysis here 100%, but only by stipulating your implicit preference of winning as fast as possible. Making that preference more explicit is the only reason I continue the discussion. Because the way you state it, you appear to maintain that your advice is objectively the best ("because I am still confident it was the best advice in this thread and it is surprising to me that I am the only person who seems to hold this opinion").

But obviously the best advice to achieve a goal presupposes that very goal. Yet not every manager has the same exact goals as you do. Frankly, I'm having a hard time understanding why you are unable to conceive that some other managers are willing to pay the opportunity cost to train their own draftees.

From: w_alloy

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Date: 9/19/2012 1:30:37 PM
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My preference is for long term success. I think that for d5 teams, promoting into d4 and building a stadium up is usually the easiest way to make the team better in the long term. If you have some other goals in mind besides winning in the long or short term, like only buying players whose name starts with M, that is totally fine with me. I just don't see why it needs to enter a strategy debate.

Frankly, I'm having a hard time understanding why you are unable to conceive that some other managers are willing to pay the opportunity cost to train their own draftees.


Frankly, I'm having a hard time understanding why you are unable to conceive that I am debating strategy and not preference. If buying players whose names start with M makes you happy, then I strongly recommend filling a roster with Michaels and Martins.

From: Tangosz

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Frankly, I'm having a hard time understanding why you are unable to conceive that I am debating strategy and not preference.


Because every strategy implies a goal, and that goal is ultimately a product of a manager's preferences. You cannot separate them.

Now, as far as your other points, I think there's plenty of evidence that paying the opportunity cost of training one's own draftees does not prevent long term success, and it may not delay early success very long at all. But yes, as I've already said, if a manager's goal is to win as many games as possible quickly, then they should absolutely sell their high value draftees.

EDIT - I must say that we've probably reached the end of the line in this discussion. But, should any other managers raise the question of selling versus training their "good" draftees, this is a fine thread to direct them to.

Last edited by Tangosz at 9/19/2012 2:43:06 PM

From: w_alloy

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I never said anything against training your own players when the fit is alright. There are plenty of teams that can get good use out of high value trainees. That's why they are high value.


Now, as far as your other points, I think there's plenty of evidence that paying the opportunity cost of training one's own draftees does not prevent long term success, and it may not delay early success very long at all. But yes, as I've already said, if a manager's goal is to win as many games as possible quickly, then they should absolutely sell their high value draftees.


The first sentence you have already repeated tons of times and it doesn't contradict anything I have said in this thread. The second is made uselessly unobjectionable by the injection of the word "quickly".

Last edited by w_alloy at 9/19/2012 4:16:20 PM

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Date: 9/21/2012 9:37:47 PM
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If you have some other goals in mind besides winning in the long or short term, like only buying players whose name starts with M, that is totally fine with me. I just don't see why it needs to enter a strategy debate.


No, No, No. Only players whose last name starts in A

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226694.31 in reply to 226694.1
Date: 9/29/2012 6:40:59 PM
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i have a player he has been a great asset to my team . but i dont know how to train him he is a well developed player but not fully developed. what do i do? here are his stats.

Weekly salary: $ 20 594
Role: regular starter
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DMI: 87900
Age: 36
Height: 6'1" / 185 cm
Potential: allstar *
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: stupendous Jump Range: proficient
Outside Def.: mediocre Handling: mediocre
Driving: respectable Passing: pitiful
Inside Shot: mediocre Inside Def.: pitiful
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: mediocre
Stamina: inept Free Throw: respectable

Experience: marvelous

how do i train him please

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Date: 9/29/2012 7:09:08 PM
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It really depends on how you want to waste your time. If you want to waste your time training his outside skills, he'll never get better but at least he'll still be old. If you want to waste your time training his inside skills, he'll never get better, but at least he'll be old. If you want to waste time with stamina and FT training, he'll perform slightly better but your team as a whole won't progress much.

I'd read through the thread GM-Perpete linked you to. Probably three or four times.