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I looked at my math too, and I'm looking at about 25-35k profit per week. In other words I will be running a negative if you don't count tv revenue.

While in the end I may end up better off than a div 2 team, though I really am not sure how, that is not my primary concern.

With these changes I cannot even conceive of any way to make up ground on my competition within the division other than to throw games and pick up a good draft pick or something. How can I hope to improve my team making while not even turning a profit? The changes may function as a normalizing factor for top teams, but for middling div 1 teams it basically ensures the status quo.

One other thing...what about guys who are sitting on huge nest eggs of cash right now? Some people may have just spent money on players unaware of the changes, and now there will be an enormous advantage to guys who just happened to have not spent their money, since they will be the only ones who have any next season.

thanks - just one last point from me!

you mention D1 teams in mature countries (or something to that effect) what about the countries with less established userbases.

Japan is teetering on the edge with on average 11-14 managers in recent months (and now in danger of dropping below 10 soon) Everytime a new manager is placed in our top Division it takes a long time for them to establish a fan base... will attendences of Div 1 sides who quite often face bots/new managers be effected as dramatically as they are today? This is the most unpredictable in my opinion and ticket prices are less relevant for when these teams visit.

Over the course of a season that is a big variance to have to contend with.. and on the subject of users.. the main number seems to have remained fairly stable around 26,000 for a while now.. are there plans to advertise and encourage a new waive of managers and have you a new target userbase for a season from now?

One other thing...what about guys who are sitting on huge nest eggs of cash right now? Some people may have just spent money on players unaware of the changes, and now there will be an enormous advantage to guys who just happened to have not spent their money, since they will be the only ones who have any next season.

Yah, I just dropped $2 million last week on a player with a huge salary to make a playoff run - and I would never have done it if I'd have known this was going to happen...

To be honest, I think any team can be competitive if you manage it smartly enough - I got promoted to Div I after my first full season (3), and even though I didn't stay there long, my team is still strong and competitive in Div II (no matter how much I bitch about it during a losing streak -lol-) and has the capability to promote again...

It just seems like the percentages are really high - we have very weak sponsorship money compared to other games, and the gate doesn't provide that much as it is - it took me a long time to build the money to BUY that player; I had to train and sell a few players - and even then, most of the strong players cost much more that $2M these days. This is going to probably crash the market - anyone with cash left over will go on a bonanza, and prices will drop as nobody will be able to afford the players any more, and all that will happen is that disparity will be created between those who kept or hoarded cash and those who spent.

Whenever major shifts in a market occur, it always unbalances everything - because people spend based around a constant or a known trend. Unpredictability will screw up everyone's economy now and likely wreak havoc.

Further, you can imagine the massive profits that BC Torooo is making. This acts in the direction of competitive balance, not against it.

I say we just kick Torooo, KDB and Drunkers out of the game and keep things as they are

the new formula will improve your attendance dramatically as you're hosting the best teams in Canada

I agree that sounds helpful.

Further, you can imagine the massive profits that BC Torooo is making. This acts in the direction of competitive balance, not against it.

Agreed. I guess what I meant is that I do not really see how this adresses that imbalance either since it seems to promote the status quo more than anything.

No matter when we make this announcement, it will be a problem in this regard

True enough, but a bit more warning might have allowed for some preparation, though I suppose that would come with its own problems.

you should not expect to see massive deflation,

This was actually not my concern. I was thinking that teams with a nest egg would be less affected by the changes since their budgets would be operating with a cushion.

I would ask that you take a look at how the numbers actually end up working out before panicking

This is also a good point since I ran the numbers based on this years attendance, which is why my overall stance is one of wait and see.

or just make their franchises relocate to a new city/arena and make them start over, with their current players sent out in a dispersement draft :)

This is not a change we had been looking at when designing the new system, but it's possibly something that we should be. Let me think about this one a bit?

Please do - as for teams in a similar situation to mine if we arent able to rely on travelling fans we shouldnt probably consider assembling a team capable of advancing a few rounds in the BB3 as we wouldn't be able to sustain the wages as easily as a top team from a more established nation... yes you could argue we can go 21-1 or 22-0 and get more attendence naturally than teams going 17-5 or 18-4.

But there are many minor nations out there with good competitive managers - we could all sit back and do the minimum required to try and win our domestic honors but I think we all want to try and do a little bit more than that. Longer term this would almost certainly mean a team from a developed userbase country winning the BB3 unless of course a side went for glory at the expense of ruining their franchise for the subsequent seasons...


EDIT - Man I suck at quotes!!

Last edited by Superfly Guy at 7/29/2008 12:17:46 AM