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Sorry but all NBA or pro examples are null IMO, Div IV game is equivalent to YMCA pick me up skill level basketball. The height problem is a completely nonissue from Div. III up. Also Pau did terrible rebounding against Boozer, a much smaller big.

Here is the deal. Two evenly skilled players, one is 5'11 and one is 7 ft. Who should win that rebound battle when they are matchup up against each other? The 7 footer. Rondo is a good rebounding guard, but he gets most of his rebounds away from the rim. Imagine him trying to guard a 7 footer? He'd get smoked. Of course one factor we cant see is where the rebounds are going.

but the smaller guy have trained a lot more to reach the level, right?

When height matters, they should make the training the same ... And when they do it, players height should be influenced the salary.

And must important you can not compare players anymore, maybe you are looking today for a prominent rebounder so you go on the transferlist and put rebounding prominent in the mask et voila you found 50 guys you like to have. With height matters, you look for strong rebounding from a 7"3 guy, or profient rebounding from 7"1, or tremendous rebounding from 5"11.

Would this make the world a better place? i would say clearly no.

After the first big guy training height matters, and when it comes to making the players it also matters because small guys get more likely good guard skills, and big guys big man skills it gives some small guys who could compete in low level with big guys in the frontcourt(and the opposite way), but as higher the competition get the less player like this exist.
And i am not a small guy, and i am not very talented on court they are smaller guys who could out rebound me who didn't play a lot, and they are even some bigger guys who have a bad motorious ability whio i out rebound ;) And on free court i see that often that smaller guys dominate in the near of the basket and you are talking about this level of competition.

Exaclty what i was saying.

you really don't see a 5,10 center who is legendary in rebounds

Dear Alex,

I don't know how much you know about Basketball and rebounding, but again, height is not the major factor in rebounding skill! If a Dwayne Wade is able to box out and bump away a Shawn Bradley away from the rim, he will take 5 out of 6 rebounds in a match up against him. To Rebound correctly you need Orientation, Reaction, Stability, and Skills like Boxing out, Bumping, Jumping, Catching, Landing.

And if two equally skilled players meet each other, again, height is not the mmajor factor, as all the skills mentioned above will be the same on both players, so therefore it would be a 50/50 chance who gets the rebound. But I can not imagine two players being EXACTLY EQUALLY SKILLED in all areas, so there must be something that favoured the smaller guy to take more rebounds than the big guy.

PS: Pau Gasol is a very skilled player. I don't see the comparison to Charles Barkley, because Pau Gasol is a great and intelligent player. Of course Barkley would be less effective against Pau Gasol, but not because of the height of Gasol, but because of his SKILLS.

I agree with your rebounding assessment, however I never said it should be a major factor, I simply said there should be some kind of factor, a small bump up perhaps for the taller guy depending on size differential. I used the Example of Pau vs Barkley and Barkley vs a similar sized guy as an example of how height can impact rebounding. Again I am not saying that height is a major factor or that it should be a major factor in BB, I'm saying there should be some kind of adjustment when there is a substantial height differential.

Maybe this is a better example is this: a 7 footer has strong rebounding and a 6'4 has prolific rebounding. Perhaps the 7 footer should get .25-.5 level bump up and/or the smaller guy get a .25.-5 bump down when battling each other for rebounds. The bigger the difference the bigger the bump should be, but it should never be a major factor, I'm talking small adjustments. And again only when battling each other.

Jason Kidd is a great rebounding guard, but he isnt battling bigs most of the time, he's finding open spots and fighting for boards with guards and small forwards mostly. So again this is so you cant put a guy like Kidd at center and match him up with Yao and have Kidd abuse Yao on the boards when matched up against each other. That just doesnt make sense to me.

No system is going to be perfect, just putting in my two cents to make the game better.

Maybe this is a better example is this: a 7 footer has strong rebounding and a 6'4 has prolific rebounding. Perhaps the 7 footer should get .25-.5 level bump up and/or the smaller guy get a .25.-5 bump down when battling each other for rebounds

should i say you something cool, this is already the case, because the bigger guy trained rebounding fast and have instead of 8,5 rebounding 9 rebounding and get that why more rebounds :)

Very cool right?

LoL niec spelingg Crazeeye

By the way. Bradley was untalented, but:

He was first in blocks/game in '97 with 3.4.
Two times he had double figures in Blocks in consecutive games.

Size doesn't matter? Even with bad skills like his ones you can play amazing games. He even had a couple triple doubles.

It's not worth it, and would make the game worse. Everyone would clamor towards 7ft 6 guys just for their height rather than skills and the market would be terribly skewed. Rebounding and height correlation isn't very high past a certain point, the only real advantage a taller defender has is blocking but if you want such "realism" then most 7 ft+ guys will have foot problems and will get easily injured. For gaming fairness purposes, the current system is fine.

Last edited by Milestone at 4/28/2009 10:26:28 PM

By the way. Bradley was untalented, but:

He was first in blocks/game in '97 with 3.4.
Two times he had double figures in Blocks in consecutive games.

Size doesn't matter? Even with bad skills like his ones you can play amazing games. He even had a couple triple doubles.

I always thought that blocking a lot of shots means being talented in Shotblocking. I don't know how your example supports that "even with bad skills you can play amazing games".

Two players the same size as Bradley, Gheorge Muresan and Yao Ming, averaged 1.3 and 1.2 blocks over for their careers, and Dwight Howard and Chris Andersen, both 6'11, lead the NBA at about 3 blocks per game. I won't even bother to track Josh Smith and Ben Wallace's stats, you catch my drift.

So yes, the ability to block shots is loosely related to size, and the BB system seems to fit the profile.