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How about something along the lines of:
This is a great English prospect, that has been trained beautifully in inside skills. However - if you want this player to make the NT level, he will need some HA and PA training.
That would sound better.

Im sure you didnt mean it in a nasty way - but when a person trains a player as his 1st priority for 2 and a bit seasons, its not very nice for someone just to say that he is 'such a waste'

And as for the player Astra put up; Surely he is a guard trainee not a big man? But i suppose its all down to height, and a player like that will almost certainly not be tall enough to consider training him..

why would you not consider training him? yes like i said, he will be finished 1 season later than a player with better inside skills.

i clearly said a player with stats like that but with the good height for training a big player. do you have any idea how fast a player pops with a level 5 or a level 6 trainer, being very tall, with such skills?

why cant a tall player have decent inside skills? i cant be bothered to show you all these players, but have a look on the TL, they pop up often enough...

Like I said, I will train some english players myself, because the consensus clearly is that a player that i gave as an example isnt good enough to be trained...

saying he is such a waste or saying he is a waste for NT are 2 very distinct different things...

I can show you many players that are nice players, but that in some way or the other are waisted for the NT. but lets not get started there...

A tall player is always going to have better insides than out! But the player you posted didn't. And what are the chances of finding a player thats tall, but has better outsides than insides? And thats worth training?

How about something along the lines of:
This is a great English prospect, that has been trained beautifully in inside skills. However - if you want this player to make the NT level, he will need some HA and PA training.
That would sound better.

I hardly know anyone that writes posts on forums like that... Forum posts generally are short and to the point.

First off all I am very direct, this is how the dutch society is. Sorry for that.

Secondly English isnt my first language.

Thirdly I am not a bad person that wants to be condescending or rude or whatever.

If you know all three points, and if you see the glass as half full. Than you can respond differently to my post as well...

please tell me

this player is on the transfer market

what do you think about this player??

Carl Gregson (11994580)
Starting Price: $ 2 000 000
Auction ends: 02/12/2011 15:55:28
Owner: Florence Celtics


Weekly salary: $ 164 980
Age: 25
Height: 6'4" / 193 cm
Potential: hall of famer
Game Shape: strong
Jump Shot: sensational Jump Range: strong
Outside Def.: prodigious Handling: prodigious
Driving: prodigious Passing: colossal
Inside Shot: respectable Inside Def.: inept
Rebounding: pitiful Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: average Free Throw: prolific

Experience: mediocre

maybe some of the fault lies with the advice given at the outset when dealing with a rookie 18y/o - i got some really good training advice when I started out with Ellsworth 7 seasons ago which gave him a rounded set of training skills - had I not had that advice he would have been trained differently I think as I was new to the game - I think when Moomins talks of a waste it relates more to what could have been if the right guidance had been given at the time - taking nothing away from the training that the player has had which takes true commitment and dedication which should be acknowledged, if secondaries had also been developed more then he would be pushing for the NT.

Maybe a way forward is to communicate the sort od stats that each position requires and a training programme designed to help achieve this.

I think the set up has changed now and there is more hands on advice for trainers which has improved the quality of players coming through. Just look at the U21's this season challenging and beating team much higher in the standings than themselves - whilst the coach rightly takes the credit, credit also goes to all those coaches training NT players managing GS and continuing to improve them.


cheers

Lambaw

Last edited by Lambaw at 11/29/2011 1:04:15 PM

wow ive come in a bit late on this so there probably isnt much to say that hasnt already been said on both sides.

i think daddy dog has done an excellent job with his trainee. Hall was not one of the best trainees of his age, but boy did his manager work him hard on the court and in the gym!
I also believe now (this season) is the best time to sell him in general, and by the sounds of it for daddy dog's team too and its organisation and performance. i think the price reflects the fact that the sale doesnt need to be rushed and the intenton is to carry on training his insides if noone will buy at the listed price.

anyway I tracked this player with daddy dog since he bought him and always mentioned that in the long term his secondaries would be an issue and to consider the tradeoffs between training for U21 and NT.
as it turns out training his outsides would have required an epic effort even if he had started at 18 purely with the goal of making the NT team rather than U21.
daddy dog made an educated decision to suit his team and that can never be wrong. There will now be another english centre out there that a team can use to good effect - albeit not in the top flights, but in the next level down. there is scope for some low levels of outside training which will do him some good at the domestic level.

i know astra didnt mean any offense, but it can be hard to write messages that are taken in the right way.

im personally looking forward to working with him on his next project (if he would like to) and if making an NT player is his ambition then i will help him to pick a suitable draftee to do so!

i must stress daddy dog really has done well to train danny the way he has and bring success to his club! :)

sorry Fluff no criticism meant in my post :-)

none taken! meant to be a reply to all 19 messages :)

Whenever you read Astra's opinions it's worth remembering English isn't his first language, and he can't always express himself with the degree of subtely some of us would prefer.

All he meant was he wished you'd started with a better player as you were clearly committed to training for England and have done so effectively.

Hall is unlikely to ever be an NT player anyway, we have enough Superstar potential big men who are pretty much capped out. Really, the only places for Superstar POT players on the NT roster are at SF and possibly, as a role player at PF.

It's MVP, HoF and ATG trainees the NT needs.