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From: KifaH

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Date: 1/21/2008 7:04:13 PM
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If elections will be held at the begining of the new season, it is till better than wait another season:)

From: Bevzil

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Date: 1/21/2008 7:13:55 PM
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It wouldn't be fair from BBs to let us wait the whole season... The difference between other NTs and ours would be really big... We played only one NT scrimmage...

If they give us elections at the start of the season, great... That's two weeks away...

From: Asasasa

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Date: 1/21/2008 7:41:22 PM
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The Czech Republic ended up quite badly too. Their GM hadnt scheduled a scrimmage during his tenure and he was botified today. They are last in NT rankings because of that.

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From: jimrtex

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Date: 1/21/2008 10:53:19 PM
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I still think it would be best to hold new elections for all the countries that missed out advancing (50 of 74 have been eliminated), with an election for a potentially 3 season term. They should now be looking towards the next qualification that starts in Season 5. But now they are lame ducks, with any talent that they develop being used by the next coach.

If the coach has been doing a good job, but the team missed advancing; there is a reasonable chance that he can be re-elected if he wants to keep going. And if he is so-so about wanting to continue, he has a graceful way to exit. And if the coach is now gone, or isn't really trying, a new coach will be elected without the BB having to intervene.

From: Pallu

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Date: 1/21/2008 10:58:50 PM
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No, the 2nd is not a good idea... I'll tell you why... For Bosnia & Herzegovina, this is the first BB season... And as soon as we came here, there were NT elections... We were thrown into it, literally... Of course, we chose the one 'sweet talk' candidate, since no one had any experience... But now the things are different... We do know something about the game, we have a season behind us... Our NT-coach is inactive for a month, we are waiting for his team to become a bot... We should have a new elections, cause now we know who the 'serious' players are... And by the way, the 2nd one is inactive as well...


1.) I am very much in favour of a fast replacement of bitified/banned NT-Coaches. I do not see any sense of demotivating a young local community by having the NT run by ghosts.

2.) In my humble opinion it must absolutely be the runner-up who becomes next coach, and that is exactly because of your arguments and not in spite of them. Reason: the learning curve you described is also valid for nations with an active coach... ! And they must live with the elected coach, even if today they might take a different decision. So eliminate the disadvantage: yes. Give a clear advantage: no.

From: Bevzil

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Date: 1/22/2008 12:31:01 AM
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No, the runner-up in BiH logs every 3 or 4 weeks, so he's not a good solution... Winner and 3rd from the elections are inactive now, and all the others had just 1 or 2 votes... We need new elections...

And I don't see why we shouldn't have them... We are already in big disadvantage by not having played NT scrimmages, missed a lot of NT points... And we should get something for that... And I can't see what kind of clear advantage we would have if you know that the whole season ahead of us is full of scrimmages only... It's not like we're going to compete for the World Cup :)

Edit: Following your logic, the countries that have been in BB from the beginning are in HUUUUUUGE advantage... We should do something about it :)

Edited by Bevzil (1/22/2008 12:36:27 AM CET)

Last edited by Bevzil at 1/22/2008 12:36:27 AM

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Date: 1/22/2008 9:00:26 AM
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after reading numerous posts about it, and contributing to them myself, I now come up with a sugestion that might be worth considering:

Keep the system of election every 2 season, but ADD the option of an extra election at the start of the seasons in between.
When will there be an election?
- if the current NT coach is set to inactive (NT team is bot team)
- if the current NT coach decides he wants to quit.

So if the NT coach decides he wants to fullfill his job for which he was elected, no extra election occurs for that country.

Possibly this might be expanded to having an extra election also in the case:
- the NT coach's popularity drops below 30%


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Date: 1/22/2008 11:10:01 AM
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First of all I agree with you guys.


And I don't see why we shouldn't have them... We are already in big disadvantage by not having played NT scrimmages, missed a lot of NT points... And we should get something for that...


You didn't miss a lot of NT points by not playing scrimmages, because scrimmages barely contribute to the NT rankings. I have posted this example before, you will see here how strange the NT rankings are decided:

34 Misr Africa 1 9 650 833 100% 69.6
35 Nederland Europe 8 3 1176 1037 71% 67.4

You see, Misr played 10 official games, only won 1, Netherlands played 5 officiale games, won 3 of them. The rest are scrimmages. So even though the Netherlands have a 8-3 record (5-1 from scrimmages) they are still ranked below a team which played more official games.

Possibly this might be expanded to having an extra election also in the case:
- the NT coach's popularity drops below 30%


This is hard to implent, exspecially at country where we don't have that meany users. Because it's easy to get the popularity below 30 if you only have about 30 voters.(I could imagine a scenario where the losing NT coach, who lost by 2 votes, just tells everyone that they should vote negative, which leads already to about 50% popularity if all the others voted for the current NT coach)
When most of the BB country are getting bigger this might be an usefull option though.

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Date: 1/22/2008 11:26:17 AM
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Possibly this might be expanded to having an extra election also in the case:
- the NT coach's popularity drops below 30%


This is hard to implent, exspecially at country where we don't have that meany users. Because it's easy to get the popularity below 30 if you only have about 30 voters.(I could imagine a scenario where the losing NT coach, who lost by 2 votes, just tells everyone that they should vote negative, which leads already to about 50% popularity if all the others voted for the current NT coach)
When most of the BB country are getting bigger this might be an usefull option though.


might be true, but I can't see decent people voting negative on their coach if they have no reason for it exept that someone is telling them to. I'd expect the one trying to haul people over to vote negative would loose popularity himself. The ones who voted for the current will not change their mind that easy, so he should at least keep 50% anyway...
30% is no fixed number and it could become 40% or 10% just the same...

I think your example only works in lands where people's minds can be 'currupted' .
In this case the one who wants to use this trick will make sure to do it before the elections, so he will be elected.

Anyway, this third option is something to be considered and there will be some thinking needed by the BBs before they get to that point. The most important part of the sugestion was the first part. ;)

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Date: 1/22/2008 11:26:50 AM
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Maybe they don't give that much points, but see this:

35 Nederland Europe 8 3 1176 1037 71% 67.4
38 Srbija Europe 7 5 1146 1006 64% 62.9
73 Bosna i Hercegovina Europe 1 5 585 747 34% 30.8

We woud have at least 10 points more if we played scrimmages... Serbia had only 1 or 2 (I don't remember correctly) official victories, all the rest are from NT scrimmages... And look where they are, and where are we...

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