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155801.26 in reply to 155801.25
Date: 9/2/2010 2:12:46 PM
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The difference is most small forwards have an equal amount of outside skills as him if not more, but few have his inside shot.


You give me a SF with these skills (Wendon's guard skills):

Jump Shot: sensational Jump Range: proficient
Handling: prolific
Driving: prolific Passing: proficient

And I will make him a big part of my offense, whether he has average or sensational inside shot. I also disagree that you can do away with the handling and just have driving (I don't think you said that but someone did).

Of course, Wendon's sensational inside shot makes him much more flexible. But also much more rare.

Last edited by HeadPaperPusher at 9/2/2010 2:14:16 PM

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I enjoy it when a person who has never had a SF anywhere near the caliber of Wendon or played in leagues where these sorts of players exist try to argue about Wendon's effectiveness and skills with the guy who actually trained him and used him for many, many seasons.

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Date: 9/2/2010 3:15:00 PM
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Those guys outperform SFs with 15+ JS and 15+ Driving but low inside skills.


I did not see your edit until now but with this comment it seems to me we are saying the same thing.

First, you need jump shot on a SF. And of course you need both inside and outside d (I will leave the debate on which is more important for the moment, but suffice it to say that you need some of both). I don't think anyone can disagree with that.

After that, I don't think you can rank offensive skills on a SF (as some are trying to do). There are too many other things to consider. For example:

-are you playing with an inside, outside or neutral focus? Which flavour?
-how much you can afford to pay on the transfer list (or, if you are training him: how much time you can spend on his training plus his potential)?
-how much salary you can afford?

I will not disagree that inside shot helps for a SF. But the degree to which it helps depends on the offense you use. If I wanted to be a pure outside oriented team, I would not care as much about inside shot. For a motion offense I would focus mostly on handling and passing, with some emphasis on jump range. For a run and gun, mostly jump range, handling and driving, with less emphasis on passing. Although, the SF is slightly less important in a run and gun than he is in a motion.

Anyhow, that's my take. Feel free to disagree if you want.

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how would he disagree ? your completely right

feel free to disagree :)

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Date: 9/2/2010 5:55:26 PM
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Feel free to disagree if you want.

I think that in a R&G a Sf is more important than in a motion offense,because while in R&G only guards and Sf take the main part of the shots,in a motion offense also the PF take a lot of shots

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I think that in a R&G a Sf is more important than in a motion offense,because while in R&G only guards and Sf take the main part of the shots,in a motion offense also the PF take a lot of shots


I disagree. The furthest I will go is that the SF is just as important in a run and gun as in a motion. However, yes indeed, if your SF has bad passing and handling, they will do much better in a run and gun setting.


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Date: 9/2/2010 10:18:31 PM
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My only assertion was that IS is highly underrated for SFs


Possibly.


and it is one of the core skills for that positioin.


Again, this one really depends on too many things. I personally put jump shot, outside defense and inside defense as the core skills to the position. But really, on a high level SF it would be ideal to have everything. So I guess it really depends on your definition of "core".

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Date: 9/3/2010 4:11:06 AM
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the sf-position is tricky.

'core' for me are both outside- and inside d, jumpshot and rebounding. i disagree with steve_karren here. the reboundskill has nothing to do with outside or inside focus in my opinion since is mostly a defense-skill.

offensively i'm with HeadPaperPusher. depending on your tactics you should choose to ad either some range or some insideshot.

a sf with a balanced skillset will help you to switch offensive focus BUT if your opponent is right with his tactical choices your balanced sf could have a hard time to win his matchup versus a specialized guy.

to answer the first post: hard to say. for me both, inside d and rebounding are important. i would try to balance your team out. if your bigmen suffer in rebounding they should be lucky if the sf (and the rest of the team) can contribute, if they suffer in inside-d, they should be lucky if the sf can roll over for a helpdefense

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Date: 9/3/2010 5:29:21 AM
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(25780057) - a example how useful Rebounding could be at SF, i really dominated my opponent under the basket which makes my win possible ;) Ok in this case he also have lots of ID(he missed OD a bit).

The same opponent dominated me during the league game under the basket (23028825), when you watch at the off rebs he got against my man to man defence(my offense rebounds are caused from his weird defence)

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Date: 9/3/2010 7:53:16 AM
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you also learned of my game the week before vs the same opponent (25766649) this was a rebounding nightmare...
Bucianskis vs Sopar is a nice rebounding matchup for your favor. Distler had to hustle vs Gonzales, Krauss-Maffei and Mastorosa when he played Look Inside. No Chance ;-)

sry for ot btw

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