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From: Yuck

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Date: 10/18/2012 2:54:03 PM
Cassville Yuck
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And the "Easiest D.III League" is III.10.


I should have never left! How do I reserve a spot upon relegation? I do have phat cash. Nice write up God of Gonja.

From: BarryS
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Date: 10/18/2012 3:06:38 PM
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I think a good gage is total wins.

In III.5, 12 out of the 16 teams have 6 or more wins, and the teams with 6 wins are both in range the fourth playoff spot on both sides.
And even the 7th and 8th place teams on the Big 8 side are in a battle not to get auto relegated.....and they are solid teams in their own right.

Last edited by BarryS at 10/18/2012 3:07:46 PM

From: Yuck

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Date: 10/18/2012 3:10:57 PM
Cassville Yuck
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What if I promise to bring a small payroll through the All Star break?

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Date: 10/18/2012 4:17:54 PM
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Thanks for the shoutout. :-)

Hopefully, the Simon Formula for league toughness isn't totally incomprehensible. It's built on a number of assumptions:

1) What makes a league tough is how its teams compare to other league's teams that are in the same positions vis-a-vis the post-season.
2) CR is twice as important as # of wins and PD in comparing teams.
3) In determining a league's toughness, the toughness of the #1 team is twice as important as the #2, which in turn is twice as important as the #3, which is twice as important as the #4.
4) The relegation games are 1/5 as important as the playoffs for determining toughness.
5) The toughness of the #5 and #8 teams doesn't matter, except in how they position other teams for the post-season.

It's not perfect, but it uses readily available data and directly relates to the post-season and HCA. And like any arbitrary system, provides grist for the mill. (BCS standings, anyone?)

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From: tripsatx

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Date: 10/18/2012 4:39:57 PM
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Nice work fewmit!

I'm not exactly certain what determines ones country ranking but I legitimately feel my team should not be ranked this high. I'm not even certain my team is the best in III.7 let alone all of Division III. I've been in III.7 since season 8 (albeit with one hiccup demoted season for season 11). I've been to the finals four times but have yet to break through to Division II as I've always faced superiors opponents in the finals.

Hopefully this will be my year, but man, nothing like these rankings to amp up the pressure on expectations...lol!!!

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Date: 10/18/2012 5:13:44 PM
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I would say your findings point to one thing here: Your formula is working out what div is the hardest to win (based on how good the top teams are), however I would define the "Toughest league" as one that is tough just to stay in it.

That's kinda what I went for in my first post to determine "toughest league". Here's the total list of just adding up the CR of all the teams (+500 per bot):

league rank
III.16 - 3240
III.14 - 3258
III.3 - 3267
III.12 - 3605
III.6 - 3649
III.7 - 3684
III.5 - 3755
III.10 - 3764
III.1 - 3819
III.9 - 3860
III.13 - 3906
III.15 - 3943
III.4 - 4092
III.11 - 4094
III.2 - 4175
III.8 - 6544

III.10 comes out a lot better here, and III.8 looks like the big wimp. I suppose you can look at this list as "the hardest league to avoid relegation in" ranking. A rough calculation compared to Simon's fine tuned formula, but some more fuel for debating.

tripsatx - sorry to jinx you with the shoutout One thing known to factor very high in the CR is cup performance, and your team has had deep runs the last two seasons.

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Date: 10/18/2012 5:15:20 PM
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Haha did it myself:

Teams in each league outside the top USA 336 teams (Total amount of teams in div's 1,2,and 3)

1 : 3 (371, 493, 582)
2 : 3 (407, 543, 626)
3 : 1 (417)
4 : 2 (372, 450)
5 : 2 (444, 760)
6 : 3 (364, 411, 474)
7 : 5 (348, 359, 398, 403, 486)
8 : 5 (456, 469, 495, 547, 2706)
9 : 0
10: 2 (349, 420)
11: 5 (353, 382, 397, 427, 436)
12: 2 (385, 449)
13: 3 (338, 369, 579)
14: 0
15: 3 (355, 383, 491) *Also has 334 and 335
16: 2 (351, 451)

So to me leagues 9 and 14 are the worst to be in, as every game will be a battle, due to everyone being a legit div3 squad at least. Where as 7, 8 and 11 are the best leagues to be in for teams rebuilding or just trying to stay in div3.

III.7 is a strange league indeed. the bottom 5 teams are all easy beats, yet the top 4 are ranked 30, 48, 61, and 68. Making it a very hard league to win for the average teams, but also a very easy league to not relegate for the average teams.

Hey, I'll let you know one of those "easy beats" beat the team ranked 48th in the country! :P

But honestly, I basically agree with your assessment. The gap between the top teams and bottom teams in our league is probably the largest of any league I've been in. (If we don't count bots)

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Date: 10/18/2012 8:32:36 PM
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While I definitely don't think that III.10 is the best D3 out there, I also don't think it is the worst. I certainly take a big part of the blame because I tanked the first 10 games of the season, so my PD, Cup performance, and country rank suffered greatly. But I bet there aren't a lot of leagues out there that are competitive enough top to bottom where the #7 team defeats the #1 team on the road (49358997).

Last edited by TheChamp at 10/18/2012 8:33:49 PM

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Date: 10/18/2012 8:37:04 PM
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Nice work fewmit!

I'm not exactly certain what determines ones country ranking but I legitimately feel my team should not be ranked this high. I'm not even certain my team is the best in III.7 let alone all of Division III. I've been in III.7 since season 8 (albeit with one hiccup demoted season for season 11). I've been to the finals four times but have yet to break through to Division II as I've always faced superiors opponents in the finals.

Hopefully this will be my year, but man, nothing like these rankings to amp up the pressure on expectations...lol!!!

Are you certain you will make the finals this season? I think I and especially Seaslugs are going to give you a run for your money.

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