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No,the real problem is that you keep sustaining your selfish vision and doesn't even care to understand what people have tried to explain you

Thats the same BS I was told when I first pointed out the 5th place problem back in the days. Guess what, I was ridiculed, called names and after a few seasons it was semi-fixed.

And as long as you don't come up with an idea of your own its pretty useless to critizise my position. If you see a problem with general liquidity it would be up to you to present a solution.

No,the real problem is that you keep sustaining your selfish vision and doesn't even care to understand what people have tried to explain you

Thats the same BS I was told when I first pointed out the 5th place problem back in the days. Guess what, I was ridiculed, called names and after a few seasons it was semi-fixed.

And as long as you don't come up with an idea of your own its pretty useless to critizise my position. If you see a problem with general liquidity it would be up to you to present a solution.

the 5th place problem was a thing that was common to any manager with an half-brain,we disccussed about it a lot in italian community and I'm sure other big national community did the same for seasons
Your actual position is bad,that's why I criticize it.
FA elimination can't be swapped with cup bonuses.Having being said that,if you have some good proposal,I'll be happy to listen it.But this is not
If you think that money need to be eliminated from the game to keep the overall amount of money stable due on FA elimination,act on something else,not on cap bonuses.Act on TV contract/gate revenue of the non competitive games/leagues/(and this would avoid the VS of the world that tank for many season and then make 30 milions and win the B3),don't touch cup bonuses

I'm not contrary as principle to FA elimination,the problem is that when you want to swap it with cap bonuses to keep the defactvie econoimy stable

Hey!

As its not a suggestion yet, I wanted to start a discussion here. I was thinking about how to get rid of the free agents and came up with an idea to remove the bonus money for cup wins - on a global scale this would take out BILLIONS out of the economy, we could get rid of the free agents and maybe (?) raise the value of players on active teams.

Completely illogical. If you have less money in the pocket will you buy more expensive clothes?

There is no doubt we have deflation. It is bad situation, because it stops expenses. Why shall I buy players today, if tomorrow each of my 1$ will have more purchasing power? Then I'll ask myself another question: Why shall I buy players tomorrow, if the day after tomorrow each of my 1$ will have more purchasing power?That's why tanking is so much profitable. How to turn deflation into inflation? We need more money in the system. How to do it? We should find out where money is out (more limits), and where is in (more possibilites). Few examples where money is out of the system:
- buying staff,
- paying salaries,
- taxes from transfers,
- free agents,
- rebuilding arena
- etc.

Where money is in:
- sold tickets,
- national cup,
- tv contracts and merchandise,
- bonuses,
- etc.

We can pump up transfer prices buy reducing salaries (each skill cost less than now), no free agent system (less players on the market), smaller costs of rebuilind arena (honestly, i don't think it as a problem for a system). These thing limits our money. What will make our pockets bigger? More attendance, higher tv contracts and merchandise, higher bonuses (promotion), but i would like to focus on national cup. Currently this system gives us less money than we could earn from selling tickes on cup games. Converting bonuses for sold tickets (for cup games and scrimmages) and reducing free agents should help the economy. What's more, less teams will tank'n'bank, because cup games will be so profitable.

Completely illogical. If you have less money in the pocket will you buy more expensive clothes?

Like always its a function of demand and supply. If there are less players availiable and no money leaves the system due to free agency it is logical (sic!) that the player value and thus transfer prices will rise.

Question is if this will cause inflation and if yes, which countermeasures should be taken (my suggestion cut the cup money) to avoid too high inflation.

Completely illogical. If you have less money in the pocket will you buy more expensive clothes?

Like always its a function of demand and supply. If there are less players availiable and no money leaves the system due to free agency it is logical (sic!) that the player value and thus transfer prices will rise.

Question is if this will cause inflation and if yes, which countermeasures should be taken (my suggestion cut the cup money) to avoid too high inflation.

1 Inflation is not a problem since we are in a moment of big deflation,so FA can be eventually restored without touching any other aspect of the economy if that's your goal
2 You don't solve the problem that I showed you and you keep ignoring and ignoring and ignoring.You don't increase the number of teams that can spend money swapping FA for cap bonuses,because a lot of teams can't make money and thus can't spend money on the market.How are you supposed to answer to that?

I'll have to assume that you are unable to see the bigger picture.

Maybe my assumptions are wrong, but as you fail to provide data to prove me wrong you won't be able to shut me up.

I'll have to assume that you are unable to see the bigger picture.

Maybe my assumptions are wrong, but as you fail to provide data to prove me wrong you won't be able to shut me up.

I have to assume you must have some problem in text comprehension,otherwise I can't understand how can't you see that people from different countries said the same things that contradicts your proposal and you still can't se what is the point

You have to shut up because we have understand what you want to propose,and all the people that have wroten in this thread agrees that your idea does not work

Listen at least one time.If you see the bigger picture,you can see that cup bonuses elimination worsen the core problem of BB economy,the fact that many teams have to choose between fielding a competitive team or make money through tanking.FA elimination won't balance this problem,and having a lower number of teams that can spend money in the market in the end worsen the economic situation,because teams can't spend money in the market

And you don't necessarily need to keep the overall amount of money in the system stable to the actual level,that is the reason why you pointed your attention to cup bonuses as the thing that would counterbalance from an economical standpoint the money that would be put in the market by FA elimination,since there is no danger of a return to the past high inflation regime.The kind of incomes that the teams had because of arena bugs aren't there anymore

Hey!

As its not a suggestion yet, I wanted to start a discussion here. I was thinking about how to get rid of the free agents and came up with an idea to remove the bonus money for cup wins - on a global scale this would take out BILLIONS out of the economy, we could get rid of the free agents and maybe (?) raise the value of players on active teams.

As I don't know how much money is taken out of the game by selling free agents I cannot make a clear suggestion, maybe it would be enough to cut the bonus for early rounds? Anyone has some data on free agents sales?

The bolded part doesn't make any sense.
When people want to introduce changes, they should always think why the system works like that.
Cup prizes are there as a trade-off, so you either focus on league matches or cup matches. You can bet that if there was no prize I'd drop the cup at the first match (everyone would do that) since cup matches would be the same as scrimmages.
One of the things that work is the week set-up, don't even try touching it.

Cups I can TIE scrimmages I cannot. You are wrong on the bolder point

Hey!

As its not a suggestion yet, I wanted to start a discussion here. I was thinking about how to get rid of the free agents and came up with an idea to remove the bonus money for cup wins - on a global scale this would take out BILLIONS out of the economy, we could get rid of the free agents and maybe (?) raise the value of players on active teams.

As I don't know how much money is taken out of the game by selling free agents I cannot make a clear suggestion, maybe it would be enough to cut the bonus for early rounds? Anyone has some data on free agents sales?

The bolded part doesn't make any sense.
When people want to introduce changes, they should always think why the system works like that.
Cup prizes are there as a trade-off, so you either focus on league matches or cup matches. You can bet that if there was no prize I'd drop the cup at the first match (everyone would do that) since cup matches would be the same as scrimmages.
One of the things that work is the week set-up, don't even try touching it.

Cups I can TIE scrimmages I cannot. You are wrong on the bolder point

I know, but if you read the whole conversation...

I did. And to the rest of the conversation I felt no need to comment because it was pretty rhetorical, hence why I bolded the one point for you to focus on

I did. And to the rest of the conversation I felt no need to comment because it was pretty rhetorical, hence why I bolded the one point for you to focus on

Don't try to do the professor when you have not the skills to do it.
Biffo is more experienced than you and knows perfectly all the differences between a scrimmage and cup games.Biffo's opinion was clear,without cup bonuses really few team would take cup seriously because it would give no advnatage in comparison with a scrimmage(to get a TIE you need to sacrifice a game in the champisonship,losing money because of lower attrendance in the nmext games).

If you want to make a comment in this thread,do it on the core question

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 6/23/2013 4:24:14 AM