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From: Ragans

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Finally found:

From BB-Charles:

By the way, here are some aggregate statistics, so that we can look at TiE/CT effects as a whole instead of individual examples. These are obviously not randomly-selected games, since teams attempt to choose TiE/CT for tactical reasons.

When both teams play TiE, the home team has a record of 417-277.
When the home team plays TiE against normal, it has a record of 829-826.
When the home team plays TiE against CT, it has a record of 104-200.
When the home team plays normal against TiE, it has a record of 1262-483.
When the home team plays normal against CT, it has a record of 703-759.
When the home team plays CT against TiE, it has a record of 265-38.
When the home team plays CT against normal, it has a record of 1171-357.
When the home team plays CT against CT, it has 205-107.

I did not include normal vs. normal, since those will be mostly bot games, but globally the home team edge is at around 63%.

From: Zloooo

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Ok I read this post most carefully.
NOw I am firs with 21-1 (only lost a game I TIE with enthusiasm of 2 after a cup final)
I am first and i play a guy that is defenetly going to CT me.
He as I can see has ET 5, I have 9,
I have beaten him twice
1. Home court with 20 point then away with 32 points.
Since then the only changes in a team is that he bought a center with 6400wage, and I have bought a center with 9700wage.

And buy this you all say I shoud CT him too. That is funny, even my reserves could beat him, ????
Is it even possibile for him to beat me, ???
I played agains the 2nd best team in my legue and beat him with more then 20 points and I TIE with 7 enthusiasm and he played normal with 5.

Really dont know what to do anymore:((

From: Ragans

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My opinion is that you must not CT definately....anyway CT before finals it is silly....if you are in first place and have home court advantage....I will definately play Normal....I dont see even other options....:D Someone just raised the question that need to CT in first game and I wanted to show some arguments that it is not necesary...unless your goal is just to get one more game....:D

From: Emilio

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Date: 4/21/2008 4:48:17 PM
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I see all what you say, and I agree with you. Tactic and Enthusiasm strategies should be the most important things. But you cannot count on all this parameters working only for you. I already said that much better teams will not have problems.
You can choose the best tactic, line-up your best players, and maintain a good enthusiasm. Logically the other team will do the same.

Anyway, it is up to you. I haven´t decided yet what to do. But I just try to point out that playing normal with the current game engine is risky when you don´t have a really better team. If you loose, you will go home with your enthusiasm.
Playing consecutive CTs is not suicide, as the CT effect is not decreased with the decreasing enthusiasm so you can compensate the lower enthusiasm.

Let's say that playing CT compensate the HCA so similar teams are 50:50 in the quarter of final.
What about playing the final with E=1 at you field. Your opponent will hardly have E=5, so not a really big difference. If you play at home, I guess you will get again to 50:50, but this time you have 3 matches and several different strategies. Definitely you are no dead.

What is more risky for you: playing 1-match playoff with 50:50 or playing the 3-matches final starting with 50:50? Not to mention that playing the final you will get the money of 4 matches for sure.

I hope I could explain my point on this topic. Of course very brave teams will enjoy the risk, and they will get some advantage if the go on playing. We will see what happens tomorrow night...

Last edited by Emilio at 4/21/2008 4:49:37 PM

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From: Bevzil

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Check out my last game vs my Play-Off opponent... Back then both of us had Enthusiasm of 5, he played home and CTd me and I lost by only 13 points... Now I'll have home court advantage, Enthusiasm of 9 (or 8), he will have 5 at most, and I must be crazy to CT... I mean, I can lose, but statistics show I can lose with everything I pick :)

This is the game:

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From: Ragans

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Ok lets continue tomorow night...and good luck to you...:D

Last edited by Ragans at 4/21/2008 4:51:58 PM

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I think the new enthusiasm system definitely allows people multiple-CTs without being hurt so much to the next game.

RED Porto Alegre, in Brasilian div1 beat Vitoria Devils (last seasons cup winner and 2nd at this regular season) with a CT. Played a TIE and CTed again to beat Borobia Stars (former cup champion and a finalist this year). Last round he played Normal to beat Atlético Bulls, in 4th position then.

In 4 rounds: CT / TIE / CT / Normal

getting 3 wins.

His team isn´t wonderful, and finished the season second from last in his conference, but was still able to pull these very impressive wins against some good teams.

Correct me if I´m wrong, but I think if he had done this under the old enthusiasm system he would have lost all 3 games after the first CT.

From: Bevzil

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Date: 4/21/2008 4:58:28 PM
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Playing consecutive CTs is not suicide, as the CT effect is not decreased with the decreasing enthusiasm so you can compensate the lower enthusiasm.


This is silly :)

Let's say it this way: You say CT always gives you the same amount of performance... Let's say 2 points... If you have Enthusiasm of 5, 5 + 2 = 7... If you drop to Enthusiasm of 1, 1 + 2 = 3... Then, with Enthusiasm of 1, you'll still be bad even if you play CT...

Or you wanna say that you'll always perform the same when playing CT? If it's that way, everything else is irrelevant, let us all play CT every game :)

From: Emilio

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Enthusiasm affects your defending and rebounding ratings, right?
Playing at home is something similar.
CT just makes you better in all fields, better % of shots, better rebounding, better defense, more faults for your opponent, and it also increases somehow your ratings... Do you have the same ratings when playing TIE?

Playing consecutive CTs will lower you ratings slower than we could expect.
I´m not telling that this should be like this, I´m telling than this is happening.
Just try it...

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