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I have sympathy for Gunner and not just because he is a friend of mine. I personally am glad that we have discussions like this from time to time.

Anyhow, my personal opinion is that things are ok. Maybe some tweaking is necessary on outside shooting but nothing major.

I remember when inside focused teams always won. You had to train inside guys or your team was crap. Outside players were purely fluff. A tweak was made which was quite fair in my opinion. The trouble was that no one had ever bothered to train outside d. This made teams with outside shooters quite effective.

Now players have adapted and trained outside d. As someone else mentioned, the d trainers have caught up with the shooting trainers. Maybe this is ok, maybe not.

Bottom line - I appreciate that you are going to look into it, Forrest.

the guards available still not good enough i guess, just wait a few seasons till they got trained to their limits...actually one of mine has an 47%
anyway there is so many factors which influence this, skillkombinations, opponent, tactics and so on...

I also wonder about the shot percentages of my star player, his skills:
Jump Shot: prominent Jump Range: prominent
Outside Def.: proficient Handling: proficient
Driving: strong Passing: respectable
Inside Shot: atrocious Inside Def.: pitiful
Rebounding: average Shot Blocking: atrocious
Stamina: respectable Free Throw: pitiful

Experience: atrocious

His shooting numbers this season:
FG 3FG
83-195 27-81
0.426 0.333

33% 3FG , 49% 2FG !
I also feel that while he's very good at mid range jumpers, his percentage in the zone is not worse than his mid range percentage.

So he's significantly better inside than at the 3 point line, but his skills (inside shot atrocious) suggest Kapono-like shooting percentages... I'm playing Motion most of the time, so it's not like he only gets inside shots. ;)

I think it's a bit confusing because his shooting percentages are practically the opposite of what his skills say! And his 3 point shooting is pretty low for him being one of the best players in the league...

He could be an exeption but it looks like something about 3 point shooting needs to be changed...

Last edited by DerMef at 1/4/2009 12:25:23 PM

inside shots are close to the basket.. 2 point jump shots are presumably what your guy takes and makes a lot of. Your 3p percentage is maybe a little low, but its kind of meaningless to evaluate based soley upon the offensive skills... i need to know the average defenders your guy is facing and how many 3s are good opportunities created by good passing and balance etc, and which are ones he is forced to settle for. there are lots of factors that go into a person's shooting percentage... just ask a former Phoenix Sun.
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Last edited by BB-Forrest at 1/7/2009 9:59:05 PM

inside shots are close to the basket.. 2 point jump shots are presumably what your guy takes and makes a lot of.

I don't have this impression from watching him play. He also scores a lot in the zone.

Your 3p percentage is maybe a little low, but its kind of meaningless to evaluate based soley upon the offensive skills... i need to know the average defenders your guy is facing and how many 3s are good opportunities created by good passing and balance etc, and which are ones he is forced to settle for. there are lots of factors that go into a person's shooting percentage... just ask a former Phoenix Sun.

Well... many defenders in my league are definitely not very good, in the last game a center with $ 2 340 wage defended him, but he still managed to miss 10 of his 15 threes. ;)
I bought a PG with very good passing skill, so he should get good opportunities, let's see if his percentages improve in the next games... or at least when I train his passing skill... I hope his percentages will go up some day. :D
If not, I blame it on BB! ;)


What I think is important is that everything about the game should be understandable.. surprises should happen but things should never be inexplicable.
If I buy a PG with high passing skill and his TO numbers are very low, that's perfectly understandable, but if I have a SG with good shooting skill (for my league level), then it's not really understandable that his 3P percentage is way lower than those of players with clearly inferior shooting skills (e.g. my old PG hat respectable for both shooting skills and made 43% of his threes)...

I just think people are whining too much. I'm not one of the most ancient players, but i guess i understand some aspects of the game, especialy after the beggining of NBA predictions.

Just think that Driving and Passing are two VERY underestimated skills. Looking at Lebron James BB version, the guy had lvl17 driving, lvl 9 JS, lvl 11 IS and lvl 9 JR. Meanwhile, a top scorer at top divisions in BB is most likely a PG/SG with lvl15 JS, lvl13 JR, lvl 11 Driving.

Oh, and BTW, Posey was lvl15 I guess at JR. Even tough like lvl 10 at JS...



To FOREST: If you plan to pump up 3PT, please do with FG in general, because just like the "problem" concerning 3pt in comparision with "RL", FG %s are not similar to NBA either.

I agree there shouldn't be changes which favor one approach.

I've got one player with sensational jumprange and he shoots 41% of the 3-pointers, I think that's a lot. But it's probably the case because he is capable of more than shooting 3P's, which makes him shoot only when chances are good.

One time I was practicing three-points shooting from my driveway, except that the driveway wasn't really all that big so I had to shoot from the street or from the front lawn, and my brother's friend's mom came to pick him up, the friend that is, and she drove her station wagon onto the driveway and I had to wait for my brother's friend to come out of the house and get in the car and for the car to leave before I could get back to practicing shooting, and while I was waiting I got to thinking about the pole holding up the backboard was leaning forward a lot and that made it harder to shoot from the baseline, not that there was a baseline on the driveway or street, but if there was a baseline in the place where it would be, but the angle of the pole actually made it a little easier to shoot from straight on, except that with the backboard angling down a little it was really hard to go glass, though the backboard was actually fiberglass and regular glass, so I guess that banking a shot in would be called going fiberglass, but the hoop was on the long end of the driveway so that the half-court, which was the driveway, was wide but not even deep enough to have a proper free throw line, and my basketball was lopsided and has poor grip and no air and I couldn't find an air pump and the ball's material was so scratched up that the fibers in the material, whatever it was, made the ball look like it had this fuzz on it, but with all the practicing with this lousy ball on this lousy half-court actually made me a pretty good shooter once I started playing on a better court with a better ball, and I can't remember what my point was going to be about all this, but then again I think that's kind of where this whole tread is going, too...

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