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From: Exos

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Date: 1/20/2010 7:22:00 PM
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203 is no big man. I trained a 208cm, which is still not that tall, in both OD and JR (when there was no defensive switch) and I can tell you it's a pain. For a 22-23 yo, it took me 5 weeks to pop in OD and 4 weeks JR + 3 weeks JS for a pop in JR.
added: 2 position training


Hm, ok. The difference in height is not great between 203 and 208, agreed. For a 2 position training in OD, the 'training-effect sheet' predicts 3-4 weeks to get a pop in this skill. For a 22-year-old five weeks of training seem not to be off that far. The JR training looks rather long, three weeks of JS training are there though (which does not deliver much JR).
I myself always take the second estimate of the training-effect sheet into consideration, so when 3-4 weeks are estimated I expect a pop in 4 weeks. Don't take this as an offense, but maybe your expectations are just a little bit unrealistic. Here a smilie to take the tension away ;)

Cheers, Exos


edit: The training-effect sheet is taken from the 'Training Speed Analysis'-Thread


Last edited by Exos at 1/20/2010 7:23:39 PM

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125704.266 in reply to 125704.263
Date: 1/21/2010 7:39:50 AM
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First of all,his 12 in IS vs a 13 in ID..Yeah,losing a game like this i absolutely obsurd..

3 of the 5 PP100 matchups were in djembe's favour and the respective player ratings in each position seem to be better for djembe too..A close game sure,but calling that an extreme result is a mistake I think..

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125704.267 in reply to 125704.266
Date: 1/21/2010 7:51:51 AM
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I am not calling it as an extreme result. I just show that building inside attack is hard, and it doesnt pay off.

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125704.268 in reply to 125704.267
Date: 1/21/2010 7:54:43 AM
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Neither playing run n gun would pay of if Avengers chose to play a zone..Not the GE's fault..

I want what all men want...I just want it more.
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125704.269 in reply to 125704.268
Date: 1/21/2010 8:15:06 AM
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Neither playing run n gun would pay of if Avengers chose to play a zone..


Just a side-track... I don't think a zone is always the answer. You need to have a SF who can defend the outside about as well as your PG and SG or it could be even worse than man. Plus, I do not always like to give up the rebounding.

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125704.270 in reply to 125704.269
Date: 1/21/2010 8:24:56 AM
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So you think that a top20 team would have an SF that doesn't have at least 12-13 in OD??I know that zones are not the answer but saying that LI is dead because it lost to a 2-3 zone is a strech,isn't it??I mean,that's what zones are for.To defend spesific offensive systems,while having their drawbacks of course.

I want what all men want...I just want it more.
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125704.271 in reply to 125704.269
Date: 1/21/2010 8:30:30 AM
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In this particular case the Avengers had to choose between having a significant defensive disadvantage at the SF position or a lower disadvantage in the entire outside zone. I do not know which would be the better choice. I guess the question we need to ask is: "Is the individual mismatch significant enough that we have to use zone to diminish its effect"

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125704.272 in reply to 125704.270
Date: 1/21/2010 8:38:24 AM
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Perhaps he has one. But considering he was going for LI he would need a 12-13IS on his SF as well. SF's with both 12-13IS and 12-13OD are extremely rare. Of course a SF with high JS and 12-13ID isn`t easy to get either.
What I mean is that in most cases the perfect balance between desired offensive and defensive power is hard to reach even for the top teams. Especially considering it is highly dependent on your opponent's tactics and fielded formation.

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125704.273 in reply to 125704.272
Date: 1/21/2010 8:48:43 AM
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Another example
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In particular I wont know which is the important skill for a PF, because my player is 13/9 in JS/JR and 11 in IS, but his MR is only 86..

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125704.274 in reply to 125704.263
Date: 1/21/2010 8:56:25 AM
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If an elite team cant built an inside tactic who can? You said about minutes management but how many big men can you afford with 100k+ salary?

He had offensive flow that they usually saying as the holly grave of the inside tactics. Didnt work isnt?


don't forget that he also amtch are elite team at their arena, who have stronger guards them him who also get their breaks ;)

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125704.275 in reply to 125704.272
Date: 1/21/2010 9:00:00 AM
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Perhaps he has one. But considering he was going for LI he would need a 12-13IS on his SF as well. SF's with both 12-13IS and 12-13OD are extremely rare. Of course a SF with high JS and 12-13ID isn`t easy to get either.
What I mean is that in most cases the perfect balance between desired offensive and defensive power is hard to reach even for the top teams. Especially considering it is highly dependent on your opponent's tactics and fielded formation.


i sometimes play(ed) LI with a SF who had outside shoot and nearly none inside, it isn't that worse the different combination isn't more dangerous for the defence. Even if i didn't wonder when both SF would be considered as real SF when we see their skills ;)

Djembes SF is in netherlands Nationalteam with a salary around 40k, Mighty SF haven't a big salary for a "big guy" and with the overall quality he usually plays i believe he compensate it with a wide skill set.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 1/21/2010 9:02:44 AM

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