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I agree with your statement , a lot manager are afraid of losing.. the reason why ticket seats and revenue.

Why risk losing money after you invest in players. not only do player cost lot so does training them right now. Can Sb/3-2 zone be effective.. .. ill answer that yes it can, at same time your need more of it versus a stronger foe.

which equal too expensive. How much does it cost to play Princeston effectively. none knows, how much does it cost to play full court press effectively. none knows. That is issue that be for BB. those tactic win versus weaker foes not stronger. It been pretty much proven a fact for now.

We all know the market is full lI/Lp players because it they are cheap to make and easier to build a winning club around.. Saving is important. until those other tactic show saving they wont get used. Until those tactic can win on the highest they wont get used. Why build for them when they do neither.? That the reality of BB. At same time it hasn't stop a lot of BB managers from trying to be the 1st to create the wheel for it and that aspect of the game.

If there any excitement left it in BB , that were it is.*(Proving those other tactic can be cost effective and win)*

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 10/4/2014 10:17:54 PM

I agree with this 100%. Anyone who thinks they have to buy a 250-300k big in order to be successful at the highest level in this game, doesn't understand the game. There are many different styles of bigs and players in general and if you get the right team together, you can have a salary efficient team that can compete.

Młoty Stargard is the perfect example of this. He has consistently been competing in B3 and he has no monster bigs on his roster at all.

He has 7 players on his team that are between 90-120k and his highest Salaried player is an 118k PF. You do not need a team salary ridiculously high to compete. It's a balance, more salary on the big side, or more salary on the guard side, or equal between all positions. It just depends.

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I like how you put that "depends on the how good the player is". That the thing here, none is going to pour money into a bad big player or a bad trainer.? Its still cheaper to build a team for li/lp and than any other tactic.


You cant have bad big men playing outside tactics. It just don't work like that. Just because the guard expensive don't mean they can do it all in outside tactics.. The big have to have some skill on par with or at least a little better to make the tactic be effective.

You can;t just get a two 90K guards and get 2 1k$ bigs and say the championship is coming in outside tactic or a win. But you can do that with LI/lp . It already been done every season/year on BB. It maybe a little harder because dp and other little changes. But it still a winning formula, it still cheaper to put together.

I think the point has been made LI don't need alot of money to perform. .

Btw I hate to talk on some one else teams. Im try my best point it to the topics. facts..


He build his team for a certain tactic. To say 90-120k per player a week is cheap is a false hood. That is very expensive. Yes balance for the tactic that Is cheap.

But you neglect the fact certain tactics cost more to build for and to buy for than others. You can't sit here and say for tactic A that 118k would be effective in tactic B. That is false hood because his skill might not the right skill amount to perform in tactic B.

You neglect to point that out also , B3 maker's get a auto invite every year.

I think a lot are neglecting that fact. We speak n advance level of knowing the game you leave out certain value point. It cheaper to build a team if know how much skill tp put into a player than buying them. That's a fact.

MY argument here is . There Is no guide to say what every player need to play certain tactic effective to be the most effective for a bll club for every tactic. Only a chart in base builds. that does not mean they will good for every tactic in the up most fashion but just basic.. There for a manager go buy the guys with 10 in every slot to cover all his bases to play certain tactics which cost money. Yes it cheaper to build for certain tactics if you know things, but not alot know what every tactic need in skill.. The market is not providing that exact skill you need.? there for you buy the guy who 10's in every slot.

To cover all bases of the unknown known. Which Is expensive. Until some start telling these and sharing these thing. training will not be a effective way. Why train when don't know how the exact skill to train for in tactic.? why not go play LI/LP and win rather struggle with 2-3 zone and Princeton in a lost every night. You can save and gain millions with LI. The other not so much unless you know what you need exactly.



Last edited by Mr. Glass at 10/5/2014 1:18:16 PM

To cover all bases of the unknown known. Which Is expensive. Until some start telling these and sharing these thing. training will not be a effective way.

I disagree with almost your entire post, but specifically this. Training has been and will be effective for many many people in this game. Why do you think there are so many talented players on the Market? They have all been trained up, they don't just magically become a solid player from nowhere. Training is effective and keeps BB going. To say otherwise is silly, as if you were correct the TL would have very little talent on it and teams would never progress or get better. The only way to improve your team is through training players, or using players off the TL that other people have trained.

Last edited by E.B.W. at 10/5/2014 2:03:54 PM

OK Manon. the second example is way off.. that player could not play pait, run& gun nor push the ball. I wouldn't dare even think of playing him in outside shooting in the highest level of the game and or think of a win..

A outside big has to be to play at least 4 os tactics no matter the level of diffculty. that player can only play 2, im being nice with saying 2.. his jump shot is respectable when need to be at least a 9to 12 range 9-12.. if not he not going to be effective.

I had player blut kardarn or something like that.. He was "strong" in both js/ Jr in which I pushed from 5 in booth.. paris haas was 9/11 in both nows, is 9 in both.. thats level 4. level 3 would 11-13. level2 would 14 -15.. The highest would be 16+ in both/ they have to have every thing. Thats from my chart I have .

That not counting the rest of the list of things for defenses to work.

A outside big don't need any driving much, maybe 5/6 to be fair. handling Ill go 7.. The rest has to be very high. That wont come cheap. Per level of play. The is point none has ever built it such . If they have were is he.?


btw a lot people play that way. 2 expensive players and rest dirt cheap some would call this" Li". They try to build around them with defense . Yes silly but its. highly effective.

A out side team is more expensive to create(buy), to build slightly cheaper and this depends on if know your salt and sugar in the matter of tactics to have.. Btw I don't think SB is a difference make much. I have guards. the new the young guys with 6-7 shot block right now. We will see once their outside defense come in if does matter.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 10/5/2014 5:22:31 PM

OK Manon. the second example is way off.. that player could not play pait, run& gun nor push the ball. I wouldn't dare even think of playing him in outside shooting in the highest level of the game and or think of a win..

Which is why Manon is in a top league and you are in D.IV. He does think that way and you do not. That sort of player most certainly could play those tactics and his defense and passing clearly makes up for his lack of scoring. Along with the fact that you are saving 80-100k every single week (100k you can use to buy another player to beef up your offense), it is well worth it.

Tying this back into the original post, just to pretend like we are still sort of on topic, I see no problems with player salaries or player skills and how they work in different tactics. I think there are quite a few random factors for skills working in different offenses and defenses, but that is what makes the game fun and interesting to experiment with. This is not a reason why BB is losing users.

Last edited by E.B.W. at 10/5/2014 5:58:56 PM

A outside big don't need any driving much, maybe 5/6 to be fair. handling Ill go 7.. The rest has to be very high. That wont come cheap. Per level of play. The is point none has ever built it such . If they have were is he.?

I would absolutely not skimp on driving for an outside big. I'd like handling too. The problem is that you do need pretty much all six guard skills for a really effective outside big man, and combine those with the ID and RB (and SB, ideally) and you need to train for a massively long time - and probably find a guy starting with JR and OD at 7 to really make it happen. But if you're not going to give them much IS, you need the driving when you go against 3-2, and you need the handling to not turn it over.

You don't need it for outside tactics as much as much we all or you may think you do. Bigs should not be driving the ball period in out side shots tactics nor handling it much. If anything they should have some passing and stepping to shoot, outside shots uncontested ( jr/js). Passing and team flow is the key to outside tactics.

The pg/ sg/ sf do all the handling and also driving if they have to. This would create points. Team work flow. A outside big is much differ than a inside big. They are not built the same. Nor should be trained in the same fashion.

You can have a balance big but he will be basic. Not a pure out side big for the tactics played.. Easy answer for 3-2 zone is . Get a beastly a Sf or a guard duo. Player Role play if will. 3-2 ne can be carved if you have the right player and right type of outside big. To many people scoring at will, to much ball movement. Then the defense has to worry about fouls.. I think Sb 8/9 is good enough, I wouldn't get 10+ or better, it seems to bring more fouls.

Turnovers is going too happens this why good guard play or Sf play is very, very important. Its the fouls and missed shots the hurt the most.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 10/5/2014 11:16:27 PM