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251069.268 in reply to 251069.267
Date: 12/22/2013 10:09:18 AM
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Maybe you should read to whom that message was addressed. Else why would I have mentioned JBBL? :)

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251069.269 in reply to 251069.267
Date: 12/22/2013 10:11:05 AM
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The "2nd division" post wasn't even directed at you.
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If you remember me, then I don't care if everyone else forgets.
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251069.270 in reply to 251069.260
Date: 12/22/2013 10:19:05 AM
Kitakyushu
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See, people who use blank lineups aren't getting everything for free. Given that, it's hard for me to see why removing this option really improves things for the overall user base.

I disagree, the #1 reason managers are/were leaving was a lack of tactics which made there be a lack of FUN. Every year things get more complex.....video games, cellphones, cars...more bells and whistles the better.....but around season 16....BB got less complex. I remember when Sharmen won the BB3, the two teams in the final ran PTB..When was the last time anything other than LI was played in a BB3 final?
I know that they are trying to work on the LI/MTM problem...but this is just my opinion....I feel that since you can not recreate the subbing pattern that a blank line up gives you while setting your own line up, then maybe choosing a BLANK LINE UP actually gives a manager an in game advantage over someone setting their line up. I know a couple seasons back Marin said they were looking into getting rid of blanks for NT games.......but why not for all games????

Last edited by Yellow cake at 12/22/2013 10:20:39 AM

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251069.271 in reply to 251069.269
Date: 12/22/2013 10:22:11 AM
Kitakyushu
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OPPPPPPPPPPPPPPS!!!
*Taking foot out of mouth*

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251069.272 in reply to 251069.259
Date: 12/22/2013 10:23:28 AM
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My suggestion to keep people from leaving the game is to refrain from removing tactical options, like blank lineup. It's not wrong, and doesn't need fixing (as I discussed in my 2nd? post to you).

I would further suggest that if your friends only set blank lineups and did nothing else, that's a reflection of their own lack of imagination. No amount of reducing options in the game will change that. My guess is that these kind of managers would simply choose the same exact llineups every game, even if there were no blank option. They'd set a default lineup, and nothing else. Thus, in removing blank lineups you have not changed the behavior of this type of manager, but at the same time you've reduced the tactical and strategic options available to more active, and thoughtful, managers.

I can't quite fathom why you feel discussing and debating your suggestion should not be allowed in this topic. It seems perfectly on topic to me. I love the game too, and don't want it to see it harmed. And it's hardly crapping on your ideas when I give detailed reasons why I disagree with them.


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251069.273 in reply to 251069.272
Date: 12/22/2013 10:26:28 AM
Kitakyushu
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Fair enough.....
So tell me this.....Why would BB-Marin talk about removing Blanks from NT games if he didn't think there was something wrong with blanks?
(I am too tired to try and fined post tonight)


Last edited by Yellow cake at 12/22/2013 10:36:21 AM

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251069.274 in reply to 251069.273
Date: 12/22/2013 10:32:42 AM
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I have no idea. Ask him. Honestly, I've never heard from any manager who has left that blank lineups were part of the reason they did. But, if BB has done a large user survey and found that blank lineups are a stated reason for people leaving, then I'm for removing them. (hopefully they'd do a survey of current users too).

If they do that though, then Marin's next job should be fixing the other substitution choices.

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251069.275 in reply to 251069.274
Date: 12/22/2013 10:37:02 AM
Kitakyushu
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So tell me this.....Why would BB-Marin talk about removing Blanks from NT games if he didn't think there was something wrong with blanks?

Sorry.....this was a rhetorical question

Thanks for the debate....
and BTW....Good luck in your Final!!

Last edited by Yellow cake at 12/22/2013 11:29:27 AM

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251069.276 in reply to 251069.272
Date: 12/22/2013 2:45:37 PM
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I disagree and we all have the right to do so. Blank line up is what?? Look the game has enthu . If they know they are going to lose a few games because hard opp. why not just play weak and gain enthu. It helps the team in the long haul?

Blank lineup does not benifit the team in the log haul to the game. Making him log in is better than then allowing him play without even logging in. I don't how you can dispute that point? The game needs active user?

I don't see your argument on tactics beyond switching player in differ positions. Other than that they will just LI or LP .. You don't have to log in to do that. Every game played and training aspect of the game during the week deserves the managers full attention if this a sim managerial. That how I see it.

You can disagree if like. which is fair


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251069.277 in reply to 251069.274
Date: 12/23/2013 6:44:44 AM
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I have no idea. Ask him. Honestly, I've never heard from any manager who has left that blank lineups were part of the reason they did

Since you're saying "honestly", I can trust you; however, from my side, I've plenty of examples. I've never investigated/understood the reasons of this "black hole" in the game tactics, but I've always reputed it quite a non-sense. Ok, there are many things that should be changed in this game, but this in my opinion is one of the most obvious.

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251069.278 in reply to 251069.277
Date: 12/23/2013 9:07:09 AM
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I still find it strange that people think removing blank lineups would actually change the behavior of managers who simply use the same lineup for every game. It seems to me that if there were no blank lineup option, these managers would still use the same lineup every game, just it would be a set lineup, rather than blank.

But, like I said above, I'm not totally against removing blanks, provided that the substitution pattern choices are improved. Right now, I'd only trust "strictly follow depth chart", and "let coach decide". But those are limited in what players you can get on the floor at any particular time. So, either we get to manually set multiple lineups that have different player groupings, or the 'pick from depth chart' choice needs to work.

To some extent, I wonder if the new GDP changes will start to change the "monotony" of some teams using the same lineups over and over. Depending on how that works in league games (I really wish they had let us test it in private leagues-this is a real shame to only use scrimmages), it's possible that more managers will try changing things up.

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