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I like how you put that "depends on the how good the player is". That the thing here, none is going to pour money into a bad big player or a bad trainer.? Its still cheaper to build a team for li/lp and than any other tactic.


You cant have bad big men playing outside tactics. It just don't work like that. Just because the guard expensive don't mean they can do it all in outside tactics.. The big have to have some skill on par with or at least a little better to make the tactic be effective.

You can;t just get a two 90K guards and get 2 1k$ bigs and say the championship is coming in outside tactic or a win. But you can do that with LI/lp . It already been done every season/year on BB. It maybe a little harder because dp and other little changes. But it still a winning formula, it still cheaper to put together.

I think the point has been made LI don't need alot of money to perform. .

Btw I hate to talk on some one else teams. Im try my best point it to the topics. facts..


He build his team for a certain tactic. To say 90-120k per player a week is cheap is a false hood. That is very expensive. Yes balance for the tactic that Is cheap.

But you neglect the fact certain tactics cost more to build for and to buy for than others. You can't sit here and say for tactic A that 118k would be effective in tactic B. That is false hood because his skill might not the right skill amount to perform in tactic B.

You neglect to point that out also , B3 maker's get a auto invite every year.

I think a lot are neglecting that fact. We speak n advance level of knowing the game you leave out certain value point. It cheaper to build a team if know how much skill tp put into a player than buying them. That's a fact.

MY argument here is . There Is no guide to say what every player need to play certain tactic effective to be the most effective for a bll club for every tactic. Only a chart in base builds. that does not mean they will good for every tactic in the up most fashion but just basic.. There for a manager go buy the guys with 10 in every slot to cover all his bases to play certain tactics which cost money. Yes it cheaper to build for certain tactics if you know things, but not alot know what every tactic need in skill.. The market is not providing that exact skill you need.? there for you buy the guy who 10's in every slot.

To cover all bases of the unknown known. Which Is expensive. Until some start telling these and sharing these thing. training will not be a effective way. Why train when don't know how the exact skill to train for in tactic.? why not go play LI/LP and win rather struggle with 2-3 zone and Princeton in a lost every night. You can save and gain millions with LI. The other not so much unless you know what you need exactly.



Last edited by Mr. Glass at 10/5/2014 1:18:16 PM

To cover all bases of the unknown known. Which Is expensive. Until some start telling these and sharing these thing. training will not be a effective way.

I disagree with almost your entire post, but specifically this. Training has been and will be effective for many many people in this game. Why do you think there are so many talented players on the Market? They have all been trained up, they don't just magically become a solid player from nowhere. Training is effective and keeps BB going. To say otherwise is silly, as if you were correct the TL would have very little talent on it and teams would never progress or get better. The only way to improve your team is through training players, or using players off the TL that other people have trained.

Last edited by E.B.W. at 10/5/2014 2:03:54 PM

OK Manon. the second example is way off.. that player could not play pait, run& gun nor push the ball. I wouldn't dare even think of playing him in outside shooting in the highest level of the game and or think of a win..

A outside big has to be to play at least 4 os tactics no matter the level of diffculty. that player can only play 2, im being nice with saying 2.. his jump shot is respectable when need to be at least a 9to 12 range 9-12.. if not he not going to be effective.

I had player blut kardarn or something like that.. He was "strong" in both js/ Jr in which I pushed from 5 in booth.. paris haas was 9/11 in both nows, is 9 in both.. thats level 4. level 3 would 11-13. level2 would 14 -15.. The highest would be 16+ in both/ they have to have every thing. Thats from my chart I have .

That not counting the rest of the list of things for defenses to work.

A outside big don't need any driving much, maybe 5/6 to be fair. handling Ill go 7.. The rest has to be very high. That wont come cheap. Per level of play. The is point none has ever built it such . If they have were is he.?


btw a lot people play that way. 2 expensive players and rest dirt cheap some would call this" Li". They try to build around them with defense . Yes silly but its. highly effective.

A out side team is more expensive to create(buy), to build slightly cheaper and this depends on if know your salt and sugar in the matter of tactics to have.. Btw I don't think SB is a difference make much. I have guards. the new the young guys with 6-7 shot block right now. We will see once their outside defense come in if does matter.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 10/5/2014 5:22:31 PM

OK Manon. the second example is way off.. that player could not play pait, run& gun nor push the ball. I wouldn't dare even think of playing him in outside shooting in the highest level of the game and or think of a win..

Which is why Manon is in a top league and you are in D.IV. He does think that way and you do not. That sort of player most certainly could play those tactics and his defense and passing clearly makes up for his lack of scoring. Along with the fact that you are saving 80-100k every single week (100k you can use to buy another player to beef up your offense), it is well worth it.

Tying this back into the original post, just to pretend like we are still sort of on topic, I see no problems with player salaries or player skills and how they work in different tactics. I think there are quite a few random factors for skills working in different offenses and defenses, but that is what makes the game fun and interesting to experiment with. This is not a reason why BB is losing users.

Last edited by E.B.W. at 10/5/2014 5:58:56 PM

A outside big don't need any driving much, maybe 5/6 to be fair. handling Ill go 7.. The rest has to be very high. That wont come cheap. Per level of play. The is point none has ever built it such . If they have were is he.?

I would absolutely not skimp on driving for an outside big. I'd like handling too. The problem is that you do need pretty much all six guard skills for a really effective outside big man, and combine those with the ID and RB (and SB, ideally) and you need to train for a massively long time - and probably find a guy starting with JR and OD at 7 to really make it happen. But if you're not going to give them much IS, you need the driving when you go against 3-2, and you need the handling to not turn it over.

You don't need it for outside tactics as much as much we all or you may think you do. Bigs should not be driving the ball period in out side shots tactics nor handling it much. If anything they should have some passing and stepping to shoot, outside shots uncontested ( jr/js). Passing and team flow is the key to outside tactics.

The pg/ sg/ sf do all the handling and also driving if they have to. This would create points. Team work flow. A outside big is much differ than a inside big. They are not built the same. Nor should be trained in the same fashion.

You can have a balance big but he will be basic. Not a pure out side big for the tactics played.. Easy answer for 3-2 zone is . Get a beastly a Sf or a guard duo. Player Role play if will. 3-2 ne can be carved if you have the right player and right type of outside big. To many people scoring at will, to much ball movement. Then the defense has to worry about fouls.. I think Sb 8/9 is good enough, I wouldn't get 10+ or better, it seems to bring more fouls.

Turnovers is going too happens this why good guard play or Sf play is very, very important. Its the fouls and missed shots the hurt the most.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 10/5/2014 11:16:27 PM

Excuse my language but your so blind to a outside big. ill tell im going pull your card here . Post , don't plop down some bullfrog. Post down a outside shooting team skill for skill in what you need to have. to 100ppg.

You have not seen a outside big a day in your BB life. Show me a outside big that has come from under you that has mvp. scoring title. rebound title, block title in the same seasons ( I have already done it not once but 2 times).. Show me a outside big that has come from under your that is hit 100+ 3pter in center and pf. in the same season. show me a Pg that come from under you that even sniffed scoring title to getting one past his prime and cap? Show me pg that come from under you that has gotten 5 assist league titles in row.

League don't matter to me.? Its how the players play. None is questioning Manon acumen.. he asked me a question and I dam well answer in my own assessment. You don't agree who said it was a agreement rather than a assessment of thoughts?. Again you have not seen a true outside shooting big a day in your BB life. All you have seen is LI/ lp big tinkered..

That player would not get 25ppg+ 10reb+ a night in a outside shooting format.. I have had similar skilled players that could not do in 4 league. That player is under skilled. Period.

Excuse my language but your so blind to a outside big. ill tell im going pull your card here . Post , don't plop down some bullfrog. Post down a outside shooting team skill for skill in what you need to have. to 100ppg.

*you're and I don't need to because you are missing the point. The point is not to get a guy who is the best at the tactic as possible (As if that was the case, we would be talking about a 250k player). I am saying that for 62k, the player skillset that Manon posted is amazing.

You have not seen a outside big a day in your BB life. Show me a outside big that has come from under you that has mvp. scoring title. rebound title, block title in the same seasons ( I have already done it not once but 2 times).. Show me a outside big that has come from under your that is hit 100+ 3pter in center and pf. in the same season. show me a Pg that come from under you that even sniffed scoring title to getting one past his prime and cap? Show me pg that come from under you that has gotten 5 assist league titles in row.

What are you even talking about? You are literally just spewing words out of your mouth at the moment. This was not even a part of the conversation. Congratulations for doing that twice in D.V or D.IV or whenever you did it, but it doesn't mean anything. A player doesn't need to lead your league in scoring rebounding and blocks in a season to be effective. The skillset that Manon posted obviously will not lead in scoring (Although may lead in rebounding and blocking to be honest). Bigs are not needed to hit 100+ threes in an outside offense, so I don't know why you are expecting me to point one out to you. There are very few true outside bigs that are used to hit threes, which you did mention but generally in an outside offense, bigs are used more for defense, and the scoring is left up to the 1-3 positions with the bigs hitting shots here and there.

League don't matter to me.? Its how the players play. None is questioning Manon acumen.. he asked me a question and I dam well answer in my own assessment. You don't agree who said it was a agreement rather than a assessment of thoughts?. Again you have not seen a true outside shooting big a day in your BB life. All you have seen is LI/ lp big tinkered.

Thanks for the insight.

That player would not get 25ppg+ 10reb+ a night in a outside shooting format.. I have had similar skilled players that could not do in 4 league. That player is under skilled. Period.

HE DOES NOT NEED TO SCORE 25 POINTS PER NIGHT. Why on earth would you expect him to try to get that player with that skillset to score 25 a night? He is not underskilled, however he is undervalued clearly. That player would be amazing and everyone would be bidding on him if he was on the TL as he is so cheap for the beast that you are getting out of him.

Dude, you've just made the same mistake that you criticise everyone else for - I've seen managers regularly criticise you for your lack of experience and success, and you (rightly or wrongly) retaliate by saying your lack of success hasn't got relevance to your argument.

Now, you have turned around and attacked one of the most helpful and insightful managers on the forum here, accusing him of a lack of success in this one area. By your own argument, that is hypocritical and wrong, and the numbers you cite as a measure of this success are irrelevant as well.

I have a defensive big on my team, I don't care if he takes a single shot all game (in fact I hope he doesn't). He rarely gets minutes anymore because I can afford better backups, but the reason I still have him on my roster and sometimes give him 10 minutes every now and then is that he plays a role. He has strong ID, respectable in OD, passing and rebounding, and only costs me 3.6k. Bargain.

You don't show any understanding that to succeed in this game, you need all of your players to play a ROLE. Winning an MVP award on a dud team is pointless. That player Manon posted would play an awesome role, and I'd love to have someone like him any day of the week.