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I've brought information that showed that in France, Spain and Italy (which consists of 11,333 users out of ~50K users) there is not even one team who had join this game later that Season-4!!! [14 seasons ago!!!]
This proof points to the most critical issue that must be handled and fixed in this game. And as you can see, it also "touches" this suggestion.

Unfortunately this is not proof at all. There are so many different factors in different leagues. Let me give an example.
Lets say, in season 4, in Italy, there was only 150 users, across two division's. In season 4, in France, similar. Compare that to say, when i started playing this game in season 12. In season 12, Australia had about 500 users, across 4 divissions. Therefore i started in Division 4.
Now, i am top of division 2, I am 10-0 and dominating quite well (if I do say so myself).
All the teams that are below me, started playing the game after me. with the exception of 2 teams. If I had started in season4, guess where I would be? Division I! hoorah!

Now its taken me 6 seasons of hard work to get to where I am. Should I be in division I? Hell no... Should i be in division II? Probably, (very nearly made it last year). Should the guy who has been playing the game for 5 more seasons be in Division I? most certainly, if he is a decent manager! Should the guy who has a bigger arena, simply because he has played the game longer than I, have more income than me? Definately!
My point being is that it is logical for teams who have played the game the longest, to be the best. This will always be the case no matter what measures are put in place.

and yes. I prefer the community aspect to this game. I would rather consistently be a division II team and have the community aspect of this game, as opposed to be winning div I all the time and having no one to talk to. I think its very incorrect of you to state your opinion about what the game is designed to be as fact. It is not fact, this is your opinion. In your opinion the game should be about winning, fairness, eveness and gameplay. In my opinion the game is about fun and community. Your opinion is not fact and using capitals and bold font does not make it so.
I still agree with you that there is a fundamental problem in the game, in that division 1 teams do not train players, i just do not agree with the currently suggested solution.

I have nothing wrong with discussing new ideas, even if they mean a complete new way of looking at things, and even if they originate from this fountain of nonsense that is filling the suggestions forum. But to be honest, I think this model you propose is a very bad solution.

The U21 and pro divisions don't make much sense to me, because nobody would want to play just the U21 part. And yet you want just the supporter paying people to play the pro stuff? Then how many users would you figure would remain to play the U21 leagues? And what's the incentive for them to train anybody? You would just have a bunch of ghost leagues with mediocre 18-21 players that would be useless to any good team. What's the point of improving your trainees if after 3 seasons they're gone and your stuck with new duds...

First I'll admit that Australia isn't the biggest BB nation but does have over 600 players. I am in the ABBL the top league and only joined in season 10 having to work my way up from division IV. I have always trained. I trained my current starting PG and SG and my backup PG, SG and SF all from 19 at the oldest. Sadly none are my own draft pick but that is a different issue.

The last ABBL winner joined in season nine. Most of the teams in the ABBL train.

I think most of the ABBL teams do train and some like the Kynlala Knights, Pancakes, Wombats, Da Fat Boy Slim and I are passionate about training.

As for an U21 game this is both good and bad. I have played Draft Day Sports College Basketball game and it is good but basically you spend three seasons making your players good, then they are great for one season and then gone. It was actually kind of depressing in the end.

I would not want to play Estonian pro league with 10-20 managers. You can't train your whole team, so the U21 would be complete mess. With everyone having very similar guys, that get released every 3 seasons. I'm sure large base of estonian managers would quit after the first 3 season span. Sure it does not have effect on japanese userbase, it's small anyway.
Do you guys really not like the game any more. Where are these crap suggestions coming from. Sometimes people get bored, then it's time to move on to something else, not ruin it for everyone else aswell.

an u21 version of this game would be possible. Another poster said about some game where all you did was train your best guys until they were 21, you had them for one year, and then sold them.

But i wonder if you implemented it slightly differently in this game, would that be the same?

Maybe each division can have an optional 'D-league' equivilent? Players only under 21. Players can be on your normal division roster as well as D-league roster.....

It could be implemented as a 'add-on' feature of current BB. Maybe start it out as a Private League, whereby players can play and train U21 players in an arcade environment, just to trial it, and then move onto that league being a divisional 'D-league'

The idea being that, if you have trainee's in the development league, it would
a) Encourage training of these trainee's
b) Give more meaning to the draft and all those '6th man potential' players.
c) Higher division teams could participate more in training of players, even if the player isnt MVP/HOF/ATG

thoughts?

Edit: This has been raised as a new suggestion in the following thread (204205.1) Credit to Pini for writing it up.

Last edited by Coach Regan at 12/10/2011 8:57:26 AM

"Coach Regan" wrote:

Maybe each division can have an optional 'D-league' equivilent? Players only under 21. Players can be on your normal division roster as well as D-league roster.....

As I have a shorter answer to this, I decided to start with that [BTW, your answer to the competitiveness of BB assisted me a lot to prove my claims even more, but I will answer it later on when I'll have more time];

So, I suggest to take "Coach Regan" suggestion and enhance and define it [maybe should have been done on a separate thread]

I agree with the D-League concept, and wish to define how do I see it.
Here is my concept for this idea.

1) A player that his playing at D-League cannot play "simultaneously" (on the same period) at the regular league.

2) "The period" - A player who joins the D-League is joining this league on a weekly manner.
Meaning - each week his owner can decide whether he wants him back to his roster or not

3) There is no meaning for games and minutes playing under the D-League.
Each player there will get training time, and there is no need for to have games there.

4) The training under D-League will be (much?) slower than training when playing on the "regular" leagues.

5) Users who send players for this D-league will pay for this "service".
This will be payed in addition to the payroll for that player.

6) Should the training be upon user request or just random? I'm not sure.
It may be more interesting (the range of player's abilities in the game will be wider) if it will be random.

I've brought information that showed that in France, Spain and Italy (which consists of 11,333 users out of ~50K users) there is not even one team who had join this game later that Season-4!!! [14 seasons ago!!!]
This proof points to the most critical issue that must be handled and fixed in this game. And as you can see, it also "touches" this suggestion.

Where three of the biggest BB-nations who consists of about a 1/4 of all users have this phenomenon, it means something is not right. No matter what happens at other nations.
It is not statistically possible that there will not be a single team from 14 out of 18 seasons of this game at the first league.
It cannot be true that the best BB-managers only joined at this few seasons.
It points exactly to the problem of the competitiveness of this game.

"Coach Regan":

in season 4, in Italy, there was only 150 users, across two division's. In season 4, in France, similar.

And here starts the expalanations why it happens on this three nations (and not only at them).
Due to the fact that those nations had less teams, they could take a bigger hold on the assets of that country. Assests that as seen just grows.
Think about another point here - 150 users out of current ~4K, and on the first league there are only users from those 150 users. How can it be?
Answer - the game has competativeness problem that must be addressed.

Another thing that "Coach Regan" pointed out, is that some users are so bored with the non-existing competitiveness that they are tanking to lower leagues. Which means that those who get passed them not realy overcome them, but where just got "a free ticket" to the higher league.

In addition there are team who just decided to leave the game etc.

Summarizing - all information pointing to the same conclusion - there is a problem with the competitiveness of this game that is at first priority for the BB-managers (hopefully).