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can this thread be closed. we seem to be going nowhere.

the hypothesis is partly right, there is discrimination. but i think you're overstating it.

what you want is positive discrimination. negative discrimination consists of applying different action when 2 situations are identical similar. you want the same benefit applied to different situations. meaning div I(such as all div I teams in the world, meaning TV revenue and merchandise) profits while maintaining div 4-5 salaries(averages for advanced countries) while not being forced to spend, because competition is weak for the moment

seeing that the salary floor does not affect competitive balance(©David Stern) in YOUR country, other factors being to blame, what are we still debating....

His arena at max prices did NOT sell out. His incomewas around 360k a week

He has wrong proportion between different seats and he set wrong ticket prices.
You showed example of manager who set maximal prices and even didn't think about reduction.
By using the same arena but better ticket prices he should have 30-40k more attendance or something like that.
By using the same amount of cash used to expand arena but with better proportion between seats he should have next 20-30k more attendace.

Then he made 200k a week. That is about 2 million ,considering weeks paid salary but no homegame.

And these 2 milion is gained by weak manager who has no knowledge about BuzzerBeater, but he has luck to play in small country and start in high division. Meanwhile good and smart manager with good knowledge in 5th division can't gain even 200k per season.

He will hit 16 weeks soon. I'll let you do the math. He actually started in II.1. Look at what he has been earning on his arena. You do the math how much he has made. now you jump this team into JBBL and tell me what his finances look like after 16 week grace period

It looks like big day for BuzzerBeater! Wolph discovered that teams in 2nd division gain less money than teams in 1st division. I tell you more. Team in 3rd div gains less than team in 2nd div, team in 4th div gains less tahn team in 3rd div, etc. And therefore it's better to play in small country, because you start in higher division.

Second thing. After promotion to 1st division team gains 1M prize. It's enough to build for example 5000 bleachers or whole sector with luxury boxes or whole with courside seats.

I get it. You can't handle the truth.

I agree he coudl set prices better ,but he has build the most and set the best prices of any of the teams I showed you.

Wrong prices aren't case of micro nation. So please don't mix these things. If manager in macro nation set wrong prices he will go to bankrupt as well.

In 5th division in a large nation you are playing OTHER TEAMS IN A 5th division, making what you are making.

If they are older it isn't easy to beat them too. New team in 5th division can gain 20k per week. It's speed of development of new team in big country. It's easier to gain 14M in small country than 2M in big country.

so if he makes 2 million a season, he will be competing at our level in roughly SEVEN SEASONS....

And where is the problem? In my country all teams, which started later than in 3rd season (1st season in Poland) still aren't competitive for few teams, which started ind 3rd season. Championships was won 18 times in row only by teams, which joined to BB in 1st season in our country.
In your country in your first season you was in top-16 teams in cup. After 7 season you won Championships. And please note, that you are weak manager with weak knowledge about BB, I know dozens better managers than you in 3rd / 4th division in my country.

That means he gets to wait about 2 real world calendar years to win games. And you wonder why micronations STAY micronations??????

But it isn't problem of salary floor or micro nation discrimination. It happens only because micronation is micronation and only more users can change it.

Teams in micro nations have huuuuge advantage in comparision to teams in big countries. These changes only decrease this advantage.


Please note one more thing. I played in 5th division and I played in 1st division. I know how it is to play in the lowest division and how it is to play in top division. You don't know it, you only know 2 levels, and one of them is level full of bots.

Last edited by B.B.King at 8/21/2012 5:55:19 AM

I'm really thankful I have never met such a teacher like you in my life. First of all, after 1st season in D1 you have 4 mln not 2 mln. We counted it few posts earlier. You include salaries in PO time while you shouldn't and don't include bonus for new players. 4 mln with basic arena after 1 season! Then after demotion you compete with bots. There are easy wins with basic roster. In the meantime you expand your arena. After two seasons you can have full arena in Japan or at least 18000+.

Secondly, in Japan I don't see such a 10mln rosters. Maybe there are 5-6 really strong teams for new user. Let me see team payroll in JBBL:
Yokozuna - 592k
Umi says - 564k
Stunners - 230k
Saitama Kobatons - 82k...WAT?!
Northern Kyushu Ramen Kings - 366k
Kyoto Shogun - - 489k
aisteru.4ever - 126k
and the champion has...
Nippon
Fire Country Trail Blazers - 774k

(It's only blue conference, I don't check second)

Many teams buy 2-3 monster which costs really cheap. League of tankers. 5 seasons from beginning and you can even be the champion. The only problem is that new players have no support from experienced manager. You should tell them to save money, buy responsibly, set correct ticket prices. Probably many of Japan managers have no basic knowledge of this game, because I don't see any franchise team, which was built wisely.


Last edited by Pewu at 8/21/2012 6:03:26 AM

Let's see....how does it make you feel that most of the players you buy you overspend on and most you sell nobody reall ywants so thats why they pay so little, because you buy garbage and can only sell garbage, and train garbage

Total Sales: $ 21 575 274
Total Purchases: $ 23 240 968
Transfer Balance: $ -1 665 694

since S6, playing all the way up in DI as you say, but still never could have any players worth anything. So sad.

Now THAT is a sign of a bad manager. Me on the other hand? Good profits, good players, good trainees. So the only thing we can compare...I Win! So show me these DIV teams that are so much more successful than me?

Lol man, check world TOP16 transfers (http://www.buzzerbeater.com/world/overview.aspx) and tell them "that's a sign of bad manager":) most of them are even - 10 mln on transfers :)

starting in DIII is what I am suggesting, why do you oppose that idea so much

Where did I oppoese?

your whole purpose is to insult me and to say that I am not a good manager and not smart and to devaluate anything I ever accomplish, just because I live in Japan

No. I don't consider you as weak manager only because you play in Japan. I consider you as weak manager because you are weak manager.
I know many weak managers in Poland too. So it doesn't depend on country, it depends only on skill and knowledge of manager.

since S6, playing all the way up in DI as you say, but still never could have any players worth anything. So sad.

It's only your opinion. I train only my homegrown players and they aren't for sale, so they are priceless. They are good enough to promote and stay in 1st division in the best country in BB (count NT and U21 medals of all countries in BB in last 6 seasons) so I think they aren't so weak as you think.
There is possibility to be competitive without many transfers, only because good tactic and manage skills (excluding trade skill).

I Win!

I won 11 trophies in BB in 6th different and hard competitions, you won only 7 trophies in 3 easy competitions.

So show me these DIV teams that are so much more successful than me?

Every manager who won trophy on 3 different levels is better than you, because you won only on two levels (and one of them was full of bots).

Last edited by B.B.King at 8/21/2012 7:03:53 AM