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I do agree that for the vast majority of teams starting in a low div, this may well be a universal truth.

This was my point... I probably should have been more direct with it. I just don't see how it's possible for a level 5 trainer to be worth it for a D4/5 team unless they are really an NBBA team that has decided to triple demote, and a level 4 trainer is pretty much the same story. I have two trainees worth around a million each and a lvl 4 trainer isn't even close to worth it for me.

But to be competitive in the JBBL, I am going to need a very high quality player at the 3 and 4 slot. <next 2 paragraphs snipped for space>

This is a good point that the concept of the value of players is less meaningful at higher levels. An extreme example would be some SF with a ludicrously efficient build and the most total SP of any player ever. This player is basically never worth selling so in a sense he is priceless.

My counter argument is that A) it is a very tiny percent of users who have these irreplaceable players, $4 million player value after a high draft value and 3 seasons of training is a long way off from 10 mil training value added in a season C) one can find some ridiculously good builds on the TL if one has the cash and the patience.

For my version of "enjoying BuzzerBeater as a game" involves success for my nation, and I'm pretty keen on being a part of it. For a small nation to experience any variety of success, there have to be people willing to do 'a little more'. I'm not entirely sure that this can be quantified by an equation.

I am completely in agreement with you about this. It seems a level 6 trainer probably is "worth it" for you for this reason.

That comes across as so summarily dismissive, and I'm sure that's not your intent - you've been so helpful to many.

I actually did mean it pretty dismissively; I am sometimes a dick on the internet. I appreciate you confronting me so politely. The reason I felt like being a dick about this is I have had this conversation a number of times on this board where I "prove" that the higher level trainers are a mistake in the context of giving noobs advice and my sparring partners retreat to this fortress of preference which is frustratingly unassailable by my logic.

Level 3. According to my maths levels 2 and 3 should be really close in net value to me.

Last edited by w_alloy at 1/17/2013 9:20:08 PM

I actually did mean it pretty dismissively; I am sometimes a dick on the internet. I appreciate you confronting me so politely. The reason I felt like being a dick about this is I have had this conversation a number of times on this board where I "prove" that the higher level trainers are a mistake in the context of giving noobs advice and my sparring partners retreat to this fortress of preference which is frustratingly unassailable by my logic.

Hahaha... that made me smile. A rarity where someone would be both cognizance of that, and willing to admit to it.
Thanks for your brazen honesty, and willingness to understand.

With smaller nations, starting at DII is both a boon and a bane. A boon because the money flows in fairly quickly, a bane as their tends to be a logjam at the top of your division. Promotion into whatever Div I exists is difficult, as there's only one division to promote into. I get that being in a big nation has it's pitfalls as well (much smaller $$$ to work with for a start)... and I suspect that there's probably not as much 'personal ownership' of the NT as there is with smaller nations.

Which leads me to players...
For me, Katsurou Matsumoto (21305788), is verging on being "that guy". I acquired him coming up on 4 seasons ago, and he had been heavily focused towards his primaries. At the expense of team success, I've built his secondaries up - not to where I want him to be, but he's getting closer. He has a chance to be a pretty special player within our nation, and it would be difficult for me to put an accurate monetary value on him.

Speaking of which... that's another thing smaller nations face: often, prices for smaller nation players - at the elite level - are grossly inflated. I guess another of the vagaries of the market, huh? "Supply and demand"... add to that, there seems to be a bit of a fascination for "Japanese players" (especially in Europe. Don't ask me why, I don't understand it). Frustrating when trying to increase the number of homegrown players, lemme tell you!

I would argue that a player doesn't have to be near-perfect (or necessarily an SF!) to be verging on being priceless for a team. K-Mat's pretty much that for me. I'd be extremely foolish to bail on him - given how rare well-constructed bigs are - in particular within my nation (he is the best big of value that I have seen on the market for my nation since I've been playing), or what price they command. Especially given that he's Japanese, playing for a Japanese team.

Now... with regards to AleksandarPMF, I agree that starting out he should start with a lower level trainer, but would caution him to have an open mind to upgrading that at some point in the future - dependent on his experiences within his nation (Montenegro). It's nowhere near as small as Japan, but significantly smaller than the US. It'll depend on the path he chooses to take.

The formula for percent difference is (1 - (previous / new)), not (new - old). The coefficient of .96 will yield the same percent difference no matter what number it is applied to.