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From: ned

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Date: 3/27/2015 11:22:47 AM
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it could be but in general I think I've a good average defenses on all the positions. BBBBBBBUUUUUUGGGGGGGG

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Date: 3/29/2015 7:15:28 AM
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If 3) is the case, the engine will switch to another scoring option. So it can happen, that your +1 defender plays against a guy who takes only five or six shots during the whole game. The reason for this is his high defense.


I would like it recorded in the BB annuals - that i stated and explained this point already, but that it took me approximately 3526 characters more, than what Nachtmahr took to explain it.

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Date: 3/29/2015 12:41:17 PM
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Before the game, the engine takes both teams. It calculates, based on the skills, who is the best offense player and who is the best defense player. Nothing more and nothing less. The defense player isn't the guy with the highest OD or ID, it's the player with the highest overall defense. And that's the one who has the best OD+ID+SB+ST rating. For a lot of teams it's the SF or PF.



So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside? the +1 will guard only the outside/inside shots depending on the box choice? if the offensive player is a SG and your +1 is also a SG with 20 OD (a match in favor of the defense), what will be the difference between the box defenses? What's the impact of the offensive tactics regarding the box defenses?

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Date: 3/31/2015 12:34:42 PM
white snake
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So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside?

The difference is that with one box your defender will guard the best Guard, and with the otehr one the best Big.

the +1 will guard only the outside/inside shots depending on the box choice?

No, he will defend all the shots of his opponent. It doesn't matter if it's a 3pt or a dunk.


if the offensive player is a SG and your +1 is also a SG with 20 OD (a match in favor of the defense), what will be the difference between the box defenses?

The difference is that with one box, your SG with OD will defend the SG and with the other one he will defend the PF or C (best inside player).

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Date: 3/31/2015 3:36:15 PM
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yeah, thx, totally clear now.

just one last thing. i remember having read in this thread that stamina counts to the formula of the best defender. do you confirm that? if yes, to which extent does stamina count in comparison to the other defensive skills? 1-to-1?

From: miqe

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Date: 3/31/2015 9:03:26 PM
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So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside?

The difference is that with one box your defender will guard the best Guard, and with the otehr one the best Big.


dont think so, i got this http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/79045930/boxscore.aspx in which the PF guards the SG rival, so is not the best big man, (that team has a really and NT C)

is the one the engines choose, not necessarily the BIG man in the inside defence

Last edited by miqe at 3/31/2015 9:04:52 PM

From: Nachtmahr

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Date: 4/1/2015 6:24:26 AM
white snake
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So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside?

The difference is that with one box your defender will guard the best Guard, and with the otehr one the best Big.


dont think so, i got this (http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/79045930/boxscore.aspx) in which the PF guards the SG rival, so is not the best big man, (that team has a really and NT C)

is the one the engines choose, not necessarily the BIG man in the inside defence

I never said that with inside box +1 the best inside player will be guarded, did I?
I just said that in one defense your best defender will guard the best guard and in the other one the best big.
During the last weeks, even before this thread started, we discussed and analized games in my federation. We came to some interessting conclusions. Like some time ago when I took a lock at 3-2 ;-)

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From: miqe

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Date: 4/1/2015 10:10:58 AM
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So if the best overall defender will guard the best offensive player, what's the difference between box in the perimeter and box inside?

The difference is that with one box your defender will guard the best Guard, and with the otehr one the best Big.


dont think so, i got this http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/79045930/boxscore.aspx in which the PF guards the SG rival, so is not the best big man, (that team has a really and NT C)

is the one the engines choose, not necessarily the BIG man in the inside defence

I never said that with inside box +1 the best inside player will be guarded, did I?
I just said that in one defense your best defender will guard the best guard and in the other one the best big.


that´s the point, is not the best big, if u check that teamalready has a big big C, but the inside box chose to guard the sg instead, that´s my point



Last edited by miqe at 4/1/2015 10:11:26 AM

From: Knowledge

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Date: 4/2/2015 8:31:50 PM
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I don't think that's the case, if I'm understanding this correctly, the best big was defended by the 1 and the defender was adequate enough so the offense was moved away from the big to SG, which resulted in the SG's higher attempts, unless I'm misunderstanding this all.

Last edited by Knowledge at 4/2/2015 8:32:06 PM

From: miqe

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the thing is, all the shots by the SG were guarded by my PF, 22 shots all checked

the rest of the team change, looks like in zone cause never guard the same man, so my guess is that the man to man chosen was SG versus PF



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