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(how) Do the box +1 defences work?

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288522.27 in reply to 288522.26
Date: 7/26/2017 1:47:47 PM
white snake
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There were some other game in my federation, which were tested and analysed:

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Inside box +1

SG was the +1 and defended Thuine (PG). The PF Koppel had the most work with 17 defense actions.


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Inside box +1

Petrushin (SF) was the +1 and defended Haurys (SG)

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Inside box +1

Petrushin (SF) was the +1 and defended Löbbecke (PG)


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Inside box +1

Petrushin (SF) was the +1 and defended Kaligoulas (SG)


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Inside box +1

Petrushin (SF) was the +1 and defended Fiorito (PG)


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Inside box +1

Linna (SF) was the +1 and defended Mangeot (SG).


There are some other games, but I think you get the main idea.


In the end, there is only one point left:

I think the descriptions of the two boxes are switched!

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288522.28 in reply to 288522.27
Date: 7/26/2017 2:17:10 PM
Arsenal 98
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:) Awesome work.
Well Gully will be happy, this was his understanding of the box defences when me, him and at least one other person discussed them, but he was "outvoted".

Why hasn't such a basic piece of the game manual being wrong been updated? (Unless there is a way they make sense in the current wording, it's just using logic I can't wrap my head around / not very common sensical)

I haven't played it loads, but it seems I should've been able to come to the same conclusion myself.

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Date: 7/26/2017 4:47:35 PM
Durham Wasps
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:) Awesome work.
Well Gully will be happy, this was his understanding of the box defences when me, him and at least one other person discussed them, but he was "outvoted".

I don't remember that being a long discussion. Pretty sure it was during this game: (40878). I said why I'd used it, two of you said I was mistaken, and my next words may have been "oops."

Its possible that I'd read what Nachtmahr wrote previously but also the key is the wording. Inside box plus one to me indicates the box forms inside with four players, kinda like ol' squares in a battle, like you see in a calendar, like the Battle of Waterloo, and the plus one is then the outside defender.

Also, the ratings when I used outside box and one were somewhere between man to man and 3-2, which seemed to indicate that it was something like a 2-2-1, which again seemed to be a box on the outside and one man inside.

I do remember not fighting my corner so certainly my thoughts weren't strongly held.


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Date: 7/26/2017 5:38:40 PM
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Well Gully will be happy, this was his understanding of the box defences when me, him and at least one other person discussed them, but he was "outvoted"
I think that was me, but in my defense:
1) the manual is clear
2) nobody knows why, but it never happens the way the manual says and in most cases it's hard to understand the logic behind what's happening


Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/4/2017 10:47:15 AM

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Date: 7/27/2017 1:41:43 PM
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Date: 7/28/2017 12:28:07 PM
white snake
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Inside box plus one to me indicates the box forms inside with four players, kinda like ol' squares in a battle, like you see in a calendar, like the Battle of Waterloo, and the plus one is then the outside defender.

I have the same opinion. My guess is that the box moves out of the way of the +1. They will still defend the area of the +1 defender, but there is still a movement of this 2-2 box.

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Date: 8/4/2017 12:53:03 PM
white snake
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Can we clarify what the Game Manual means by "Fifth defender"? What does that mean in the GE? The C? or the defender with the most ID or OD depending on which box you run?

I would say the best OD/ID/SB player. Or with other words: the best defensive player by rating (how this rating is calculated is another question)

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