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i dont think so ...

more Unknown Parameter can create more interesting a game ...

2 season ago every body used LI tactic ... but now many of managers use of another tactic because of GDP ... GDP increase Unknown Parameters ...

without enthusiasm , the better sum of skills team win ... in this case decrease Thrill of games ...

sorry for bad English ...

Ok I agree...but the border is justice. If somebody get enthusiasm advantage just because of weaker league it's not fair.

Maybe the best idea would be to make a separate enthusiasm just for B3?

So you're willing to cap your league earnings and the salary of your team for the same reason?

You have a problem only because you decided to TIE the league playoff semifinal and lost last season. Besides you have a problem only with the Final game of B3 and yet you (and your other Polish friend) want to remove Enthusiasm for the entire competition. Does it sound reasonable and proportionate to you?

I've already said in the suggestion thread that they could lock the Enth for the final at the level each team has in the semifinals. If this would stop the never ending crying coming from Poland and Poland only, I beg you BBs, please consider it.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/17/2015 10:10:35 AM

Maybe the best idea would be to make a separate enthusiasm just for B3?

this is a better idea ... in group stage can use TIE , N , C ... in 2nd round N , C like playoff games ...

Last edited by Misagh at 1/17/2015 10:51:30 AM

So you're willing to cap your league earnings and the salary of your team for the same reason?

What problem do you have with earings? You have less earings but it is easier for you to win...so it is easier for you to be on the top and get the highest earings.

You have a problem only because you decided to TIE the league playoff semifinal and lost last season. Besides you have a problem only with the Final game of B3 and yet you (and your other Polish friend) want to remove Enthusiasm for the entire competition. Does it sound reasonable and proportionate to you?

Of course, I see after my final that enthusiasm problem exist in B3...but I'm writing not because of me. I rebuilt my team so I probably won't play fast in B3 .

If this would stop the never ending crying coming from Poland and Poland only, I beg you BBs, please consider it.

I think he has a valid point. Defining it as crying is a particularly weak kind of argument. And the suggestion in the other thread comes from Sweden. I'm not sure when Sweden became part of Poland.

Manon's thread is about "making B3 fair", not specifically Enthusiasm. It's only the 2 of them and the groupies from their country who are obsessed with Enthusiasm.

Marin has already said what he thinks about it, erasing differences between different nations is impossible and the problem clearly is not enthusiasm, but the fact that a finalist in B3 can't win his own league playoff semifinal (losing enthusiasm is the consequence).

Next thing you know there will be people crusading to erase GS differences in B3 (why not?), cap the playable salary you can put on the floor (why not?) or erase Enthusiasm from the game altogether (why not?).

Last edited by GM-Perpete at 1/19/2015 1:28:39 PM

Again, I don't see trying to make a point about something has to be called a crusade.

Its certainly unfair that the different lengths of cup competitions give some countries an advantage in the B3. Poland among them. I'd actually say equalising enthusiasm benefits smaller countries much more than it would Poland. That he noticed the unfairness because it affected him doesn't mean he's wrong.

i agree with Lemonshine in every sentence and all those whining reminds me on spoil child...
The fact is that, in spite of unequal format of competition, only teams from "big" countries won trophy.
I am wondering how they managed to do that, due to that hendikep with enth?
I mean, China won it 5 times, Canada 4, Spain 2 times, Poland,Czech rep,Serbia,Turkie, Slovaki,Italy and others won it once.
Hows that issue become problem now, or at the time when Kozik lost a final?How is possible that no one spoke about it before that?
coincidence or?

it becomes silly when it's only 2 users (Kozlik and Darkonza plus the occasional Polish groupie) who are complaining on B3 season forums and effectively take away credit from the winner. I made a point not to post about this unless they decided to go all out again on this (and ignored several posts). I think it's disrespectful and their proposal (and Manon's) to erase Enth from B3 goes against the complexity of the game and what BB is. Their persistence and the fact that they repeatedly rejected the notion they do have an advantage is clearly a vested interest and an unnatural reaction, hence the definition 'crusade' and 'crying'. I repeat it once again for everyone's benefit: they don't have a problem with Enthusiasm per se, they have a problem only for the B3 final because a finalist might lose in their nation's playoffs.

Honestly I think that if you risk it and TIE in the playoffs and lose (like Kozlik) then it your problem and your problem alone for being greedy. As it stands to win the B3 it helps to get in the finals in your own league. So what's so difficult to understand? If you throw away league games and playoff games you do so at your own risk: it's your choice.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 1/17/2015 8:31:04 PM