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I have no idea. Ask him. Honestly, I've never heard from any manager who has left that blank lineups were part of the reason they did

Since you're saying "honestly", I can trust you; however, from my side, I've plenty of examples. I've never investigated/understood the reasons of this "black hole" in the game tactics, but I've always reputed it quite a non-sense. Ok, there are many things that should be changed in this game, but this in my opinion is one of the most obvious.

I still find it strange that people think removing blank lineups would actually change the behavior of managers who simply use the same lineup for every game. It seems to me that if there were no blank lineup option, these managers would still use the same lineup every game, just it would be a set lineup, rather than blank.

But, like I said above, I'm not totally against removing blanks, provided that the substitution pattern choices are improved. Right now, I'd only trust "strictly follow depth chart", and "let coach decide". But those are limited in what players you can get on the floor at any particular time. So, either we get to manually set multiple lineups that have different player groupings, or the 'pick from depth chart' choice needs to work.

To some extent, I wonder if the new GDP changes will start to change the "monotony" of some teams using the same lineups over and over. Depending on how that works in league games (I really wish they had let us test it in private leagues-this is a real shame to only use scrimmages), it's possible that more managers will try changing things up.

well, i don´t think, the blank-lineup is the reason, why number of users is declining, to be honest, i for example never thought about as a "problem".
There other things to fix first:
-most important is doing more about the tanking-problem, which is really an issue
-better seed, more income: it´s still a problem, that financel whise it´s better (for the season) to be 5.-7th than ending 3.or 4.. And even to be 1. or 2. isn´t financel more safe, after the 50%-50% split. That´s one reason people start tanking, after they are somekind of "safe" to stay in their division.
-Inside Offense/MM - Problem: well we´ll see, what kind of change the new tactics do for that...

The biggest issue is tanking IMO. This season in my div II a team dropped from Div I and ran a roster 30% less the salary floor. There should of been no one turning up to their games by the end of the season. Until they make it a huge hit to finance when tanking people will do it. In most higher leagues it all comes down to who has the biggest bank balance and wants to win this season. Too many teams tank and bank for seasons and then go hard to go all the way to the top before dropping back down the leagues to bank some more cash.

excellent points...i totally agree.

im in such bad shape financially i would be better off to tank this season and go back to DV and make some money,,,,but I would quit before I did that, the idea makes me sick. If I cant go forward then there is no use in playing...the money is to exacting. the fans are too harsh. said it over and over.

There other things to fix first:
-most important is doing more about the tanking-problem, which is really an issue
-better seed, more income: it´s still a problem, that financel whise it´s better (for the season) to be 5.-7th than ending 3.or 4.. And even to be 1. or 2. isn´t financel more safe, after the 50%-50% split. That´s one reason people start tanking, after they are somekind of "safe" to stay in their division.
-Inside Offense/MM - Problem: well we´ll see, what kind of change the new tactics do for that...

I agree with each point (especially with point 2: what you're saying has been pointed out immediately after that the changes in salary non-payment have been introduced, so seasons and seasons ago), but please consider that something has been studied to solve all of these points (with average or bad results), while nothing has been done for the blank-lineup point, which was nevertheless raised also by the BB themselves!

Last edited by MFede at 12/23/2013 2:01:01 PM

There other things to fix first:
-most important is doing more about the tanking-problem, which is really an issue
-better seed, more income: it´s still a problem, that financel whise it´s better (for the season) to be 5.-7th than ending 3.or 4.. And even to be 1. or 2. isn´t financel more safe, after the 50%-50% split. That´s one reason people start tanking, after they are somekind of "safe" to stay in their division.
-Inside Offense/MM - Problem: well we´ll see, what kind of change the new tactics do for that...

I agree with each point (especially with point 2: what you're saying has been pointed out immediately after that the changes in salary non-payment have been introduced, so seasons and seasons ago), but please consider that something has been studied to solve all of these points (with average or bad results), while nothing has been done for the blank-lineup point, which was nevertheless raised also by the BB themselves!

Of course i consider, that every change need studies and can go wrong, but f.e. point 2 seems not to difficult to solve (as example some bonsu money for making playoffs). blank-lineup is not a real problem, because in the long term, it won´t help you to use it.

Until they make it a huge hit to finance when tanking people will do it

The first time I made it to the ABBL, I fought all season to avoid relegation to no avail.

Finished up the season in debt and had to face unhappy fans back in Div 2.

That was 10 seasons ago and there is no doubt that changes to the game have made it a lot easier for teams that are promoting to compete, but it is still not easy.

It would have to be a pretty big change to make tanking a poor option, when it becomes a choice between finishing 8th whilst competing on the salary floor and finishing 6th or 7th and still getting relegated after a season of spending big trying to stay up

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