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From: Kukoc

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157747.28 in reply to 157747.27
Date: 9/29/2010 11:49:30 AM
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I agree that in real life there is no way we get 20k people coming to watch our first division game. But the attendance has to be similiar for all countrys because it's needed to run the game. Some things you can't take from real life, some you can.
You can look at filling the arena this way. You start out with an arena that has space for 25k (or whatever number you like to build). You have 50 vip boxes, but theyr interior is not finished. So before you finish that you can not sell it to someone. Or you have a spot to install coutside seats, but you have to buy the seats.

From: aigidios

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Date: 9/29/2010 12:41:42 PM
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Hmm, what about have it this way - you have some space available (well, might be for 40k bleachers alone or for 800 VIP seats (example)). You can build whatever you like, however your space is limited.

That means you can develop your arena for the guy who will visit you like on every game and like to pay for it, but there are plenty of these which like to see just winning or somehow interresting games.

So there is a dilema between stable lower income and unstable higher income. Well, how unstable will be, depends pretty much on your skills and your winning strikes.

So we would see by the time arenas like:

Bleachers : 15000
Lower Tier : 8000
Courtside Seats : 330
Luxury Boxes : 15

Bleachers : 5000
Lower Tier : 3000
Courtside Seats : 1000
Luxury Boxes : 100

Indeed that is pretty rough, but you get the point..

Important is the fact that it would create a real reason for diminishing or recuperating arena with the time or will

Last edited by aigidios at 9/29/2010 12:42:34 PM

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157747.30 in reply to 157747.29
Date: 9/30/2010 12:22:11 PM
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this is getting so far off...

the initial question was when the period will be that people can diminish their arena's (added info, because it initially was not said explicitly, but after a while was clear it was about that subject: because of the second change announced by the BBs)

answer to that question: there will be no such period, as the diminishing (if needed) happened autoamatically.

period.

PS for crazy-eye: I don't realy see your point, but to answer this question of yours, what happens if you build 100/1000 and then 50/500, would it look diffrent? no it wouldn't, in each case, wheter you build one or the other, or even both amounts, you end up with 50/500 as that's the limit...
hope it answers your question as I don't understand what you meant...

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157747.31 in reply to 157747.30
Date: 9/30/2010 12:29:31 PM
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PS for crazy-eye: I don't realy see your point, but to answer this question of yours, what happens if you build 100/1000 and then 50/500, would it look diffrent? no it wouldn't, in each case, wheter you build one or the other, or even both amounts, you end up with 50/500 as that's the limit...


if you plan with 100/1000 you have to invest lot more money there right? Staying a lot under the soft cap, is in my eyes economical not good. If you now have limited founds, it affects how many bleacher lower tie you build, because you have more/less money tp put in the cheap categories with the same target reaching the 20k fast.
Before the limit was introduced, you could plan with 100/1000 but land as a surprise at 50/500 but maybe already have the bleachers you would have build for the 100/1000 arena.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 9/30/2010 12:30:50 PM

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157747.32 in reply to 157747.31
Date: 10/1/2010 7:55:40 AM
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PS for crazy-eye: I don't realy see your point, but to answer this question of yours, what happens if you build 100/1000 and then 50/500, would it look diffrent? no it wouldn't, in each case, wheter you build one or the other, or even both amounts, you end up with 50/500 as that's the limit...


if you plan with 100/1000 you have to invest lot more money there right? Staying a lot under the soft cap, is in my eyes economical not good. If you now have limited founds, it affects how many bleacher lower tie you build, because you have more/less money tp put in the cheap categories with the same target reaching the 20k fast.
Before the limit was introduced, you could plan with 100/1000 but land as a surprise at 50/500 but maybe already have the bleachers you would have build for the 100/1000 arena.

yes, I more or less see your point now. But if I do, I still don't see a big (negative) impact on the whole thing.
People who expanded past the 50/500 limit had tickets sold for those seats (I did, and if not there was no point in building them, unless the other type of seats wasn't sold out either, and then it again doesn't influence anything) When their number was turned back, they got the refunds which they then could use to expand other seats if wanted. In most cases people build all seats equivalently, or build the lower cost seats first. For them it has no negative impact at all.
For the few that might have build the expensive ones first (which isn't very smart either, but okay, maybe there are such people who did like to do it that way) you can argue they had a negative impact as they might have been waiting for the money they would get back to build the other type of seats, and that's called bad planning, as BB anounced the cap, and only after a period of time, executed the change.

BUT this has nothing to do with the question initially asked.

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157747.33 in reply to 157747.32
Date: 10/1/2010 11:50:58 AM
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People who expanded past the 50/500 limit had tickets sold for those seats (I did, and if not there was no point in building them, unless the other type of seats wasn't sold out either, and then it again doesn't influence anything)


i got them for one game and splitted ;) Because i started dramatically building them, after the first change(maybe my VIP was over already but the lower tie was finished during the PO) and also to deconstruct my arena first to get the fonds.

And as i said when i plan with 16,9k/3k/1000/100, i could also start to build the bleacher first, and probadly i would do this because it is higher short time income and you put the earning in the more expensiv seats.

In most cases people build all seats equivalently, or build the lower cost seats first. For them it has no negative impact at all.


as i said that isn't right ;)

For the few that might have build the expensive ones first (which isn't very smart either


and you already know why ;)

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157747.34 in reply to 157747.33
Date: 10/1/2010 6:59:07 PM
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well, it WAS anounced weeks before they got broken down to 50/500, so I don't see why you still build them over those numbers, in the period it was known they would be limited...

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Date: 10/1/2010 8:30:43 PM
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well, it WAS anounced weeks before they got broken down to 50/500, so I don't see why you still build them over those numbers, in the period it was known they would be limited...


no it wasn't it was exatly at the beginning at the season, and the end of the downgrading time which made it so idiotic. If they announce it weeks before there would be no problem, because you could still react.

From: Kukoc

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Date: 10/2/2010 11:09:05 AM
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Everyone else could react. Why? Because they did not shuffle their arena like it was the last day on earth. You had a long building period. Trying to get that perfect 20k arena plan bit you where the sun does not shine. Can you get over it now. Noone is ever going to refund you.

From: CrazyEye

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157747.37 in reply to 157747.36
Date: 10/2/2010 1:17:09 PM
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Everyone else could react. Why? Because they did not shuffle their arena like it was the last day on earth. You had a long building period. Trying to get that perfect 20k arena plan bit you where the sun does not shine. Can you get over it now. Noone is ever going to refund you.


he ask for why, and i try to explain it to him why it could make an difference ;) And i don't it, i just want to say why this possibility was announced, and that nobaody could have react to it.

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157747.38 in reply to 157747.35
Date: 10/2/2010 2:30:06 PM
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well, then there must be a big hole in my mind, as I recall reading the anouncement for the cap of 50/500, and only weeks, (I think even a few months?) later they actually made the change.
could it be they anounced it at all star break and then changed it at the start of next season, or was it the other way around?

anyway, doesn't realy matter.

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